{"id":23367,"date":"2021-02-25T13:10:30","date_gmt":"2021-02-25T10:10:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/bas-tv.md\/?p=23367"},"modified":"2023-06-07T18:44:10","modified_gmt":"2023-06-07T15:44:10","slug":"trebuie-sa-ne-calcam-pe-orgoliul-acesta-sa-nu-ne-mancam-intre-noi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bas-tv.md\/ro\/trebuie-sa-ne-calcam-pe-orgoliul-acesta-sa-nu-ne-mancam-intre-noi\/","title":{"rendered":"\u201eTrebuie s\u0103 ne c\u0103lc\u0103m pe orgoliul acesta, s\u0103 nu ne m\u00e2nc\u0103m \u00eentre noi\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>\u00cen cei aproape 30 de ani de independen\u021b\u0103, Republica Moldova a avut 26 de executive. Cel mai longeviv a fost condus de Vasile Tarlev, pe timpul guvern\u0103rii comuniste, dar au fost \u0219i cabinete de mini\u0219tri care au activat mai pu\u021bin de \u0219ase luni, de exemplu, \u00een 2019 s-au schimbat trei guverne \u00eentr-un singur an. \u00cenvestirea urm\u0103torului executiv este motiv de disput\u0103 \u00eentre pre\u0219edin\u021bie \u0219i parlament. Ce cred aleg\u0103torii despre conflictul mutat acum la Curtea Constitu\u021bional\u0103? C\u0103ut\u0103m r\u0103spuns la acest sf\u00e2r\u0219it de s\u0103pt\u0103m\u00e2n\u0103.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Partidele de dreapta sau cele de st\u00e2nga? Toate promit de toate pentru cet\u0103\u021beni, dar mai ales bun\u0103stare. Care merit\u0103 s\u0103 guverneze Republica Moldova? Aleg\u0103torii cu care am discutat la Basarabeasca spun c\u0103 vor un stat al bun\u0103st\u0103rii, \u0219i nu al dezbin\u0103rii, vor un stat care s\u0103-i apere \u0219i sunt furio\u0219i din cauza locurilor de munc\u0103 prost pl\u0103tite, a pensiilor mici, a inegalit\u0103\u021bii sociale \u0219i a s\u0103r\u0103ciei profunde, dar cel mai mult sunt sup\u0103ra\u021bi pe politicieni.<\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eC\u00e2t avem, 30 de ani de independen\u021b\u0103, da? 30 de ani de independen\u021b\u0103 a Republicii Moldova, dar lucrurile nu s-au schimbat mult. Politicienii au dezbinat societatea \u00een \u201eai lor\u201d \u0219i \u201eai no\u0219tri\u201d, dar oamenii sperau la o via\u021b\u0103 mai bun\u0103.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: C\u00e2te guverne a avut Republica Moldova \u00een aceste trei decenii?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eEi, c\u00e2te guverne&#8230; Druc, Muravschi, Sangheli, Tarlev, Filat, Filip, ultimul a fost Chicu.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Au fost 26 de guverne.<\/strong><\/p>\n<div class=\"wsw__embed\">\n<figure class=\"media-gallery-embed overlay-wrap js-media-expand js-media-expand--ready\" data-lbox-gallery=\"true\" data-lbox-gallery-url=\"\/a\/oameni-%c8%99i-locuri-din-basarabeasca\/31112079.html\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gdb.rferl.org\/8c839b80-db35-4af4-b4a0-4fb78d70475f_w650_r1_s.jpg\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"enhanced aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/gdb.rferl.org\/8c839b80-db35-4af4-b4a0-4fb78d70475f_w650_r1_s.jpg\" alt=\"Oameni \u0219i locuri din Basarabeasca\" width=\"650\" height=\"366\" data-src=\"https:\/\/gdb.rferl.org\/8c839b80-db35-4af4-b4a0-4fb78d70475f_w250_r1_s.jpg\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"d-flex flex-wrap overlay-content\"><span class=\"label label--media label--inverted m-l-sm\">Photo Gallery:<\/span><\/p>\n<h4 class=\"title title--media title--inverted m-l-sm\">Oameni \u0219i locuri din Basarabeasca<\/h4>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eAu fost multe guverne \u0219i \u00een toate guvernele care veneau la putere oamenii aveau speran\u021b\u0103, dar \u0219i-au pierdut toat\u0103 speran\u021ba \u00een viitor, deoarece politicienii se foloseau de cet\u0103\u021beni, dar ei numai \u00ee\u0219i f\u0103ceau jocurile \u0219i se \u00eembog\u0103\u021beau. Dezbinarea se f\u0103cea, de pild\u0103, s\u0103 lu\u0103m cum a fost la noi \u00een Basarabeasca \u2013 limba. Deoarece avem mul\u021bi cet\u0103\u021beni vorbitori de limba rus\u0103, clar lucru c\u0103 ridic\u00e2nd \u00eentrebarea asta cu limba, ne \u00eemp\u0103r\u021beau \u00een dou\u0103 tabere, dar \u00een ziua de azi noi vedem c\u0103 am ajuns unde cea mai mare corup\u021bie e \u00een \u021bara noastr\u0103 Republica Moldova, dar politicienii veneau \u0219i ne dezbinau ca s\u0103 ne ducem de la \u00eentreb\u0103rile acestea.<\/p>\n<div class=\"content-floated col-xs-12 col-sm-5 overlap-md\">\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"c-blockquote c-blockquote--has-quote\">\n<div class=\"c-blockquote__content\">La noi \u00een Basarabeasca aproape jum\u0103tate din cet\u0103\u021beni activeaz\u0103 la Calea Ferat\u0103, trei luni de zile nu primim salarii, dar sunt c\u00e2te doi din familie&#8230;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<p>Acum, oamenii v\u0103d c\u0103 nu-i esen\u021ba \u00een problema limbii. Da, ea tot trebuie rezolvat\u0103, dar \u00een ziua de azi trebuie de luptat cu corup\u021bia. Avem noroc c\u0103 la preziden\u021biale a fost aleas\u0103 dna Maia Sandu, un pre\u0219edinte care vrea s\u0103 lupte cu corup\u021bia. A\u0219a vedem noi, nu numai c\u0103 moldovenii, chiar s-au schimbat \u0219i viziunile la oamenii vorbitori de limba rus\u0103. Bun\u0103oar\u0103, aici la noi \u00een Basarabeasca aproape jum\u0103tate din cet\u0103\u021beni activeaz\u0103 la Calea Ferat\u0103, trei luni de zile nu primim salarii, dar sunt c\u00e2te doi din familie care lucreaz\u0103. Oamenii sunt dispera\u021bi, lucr\u0103m aici la pia\u021b\u0103, vedem c\u0103 se reflect\u0103 \u0219i asupra noastr\u0103, vede\u021bi c\u0103 cump\u0103r\u0103tori nu avem \u0219i oamenii ace\u0219tia v\u0103 \u00eenchipui\u021bi cum tr\u0103iesc ei f\u0103r\u0103 salarii.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: \u00cen parlament \u00eentotdeauna a fost nevoie s\u0103 fie creat\u0103 o majoritate.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eDa&#8230;\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Majoritatea se formeaz\u0103 din mai multe partide \u0219i acum e o dilem\u0103: cine cu cine s\u0103 fac\u0103 aceast\u0103 majoritate?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eDa, urm\u0103rim \u0219i noi evenimentele din parlament, ne doare, fiindc\u0103 dl Dodon, Partidul Sociali\u0219tilor deseori vorbeau \u0219i spuneau c\u0103 \u00een niciun caz nu vor face alian\u021b\u0103 cu \u0218or, cu \u201ePro Moldova\u201d, cu acei care sunt antrena\u021bi la\u00a0<em>furtul miliardului<\/em>, cu aeroportul, cu \u201elaundromatul\u201d \u0219i p\u00e2n\u0103 la urm\u0103 ei vor s\u0103 guverneze mai departe \u0219i s\u0103 poat\u0103 s\u0103 fure statul acesta. \u0218i spuneam despre oamenii vorbitori de limba rus\u0103, acum v\u0103d c\u0103 majoritatea au votat pentru Partidul Sociali\u0219tilor aici, \u00een Basarabeasca, \u0219i nu sunt de acord cu Dodon. Acum ei v\u0103d care-i pericolul principal \u00een \u021bara noastr\u0103, fiindc\u0103 Dodon \u0219i cu Plahotniuc au fost buni prieteni \u0219i tare mul\u021bi \u00eei critic\u0103 pe sociali\u0219ti c\u0103 au f\u0103cut alian\u021b\u0103 cu \u0218or, lista asta care s-a dat de 54 de semn\u0103turi, ei spun c\u0103 n-au f\u0103cut alian\u021b\u0103&#8230;\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Dvs. cum \u00een\u021belege\u021bi, e o confruntare \u00eentre Igor Dodon \u0219i Maia Sandu?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201e\u00cei clar, \u00eei clar&#8230; Ei se tem, c\u0103 Maia Sandu doar a anun\u021bat c\u0103 vrea s\u0103 cure\u021be justi\u021bia, procuratura, dar astea toate-s pe m\u00e2inile lui Dodon. Cum putem s\u0103 tr\u0103im mai bine, cum putem economia s-o dezvolt\u0103m, dac\u0103 corup\u021bie este peste tot locul, \u00een toate ramurile? \u0218i de-at\u00e2ta, ei vede\u021bi cum se lupt\u0103 pentru putere.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"clear\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"wsw__embed\">\n<div class=\"c-sticky-container\">\n<div class=\"c-sticky-element\" data-sp_api=\"facebook\">\n<div class=\"infgraphicsAttach\">\n<div class=\"fbVideoSnippetProcessed\">\n<div id=\"fb-video-1\" class=\"fb-video fb_iframe_widget fb_iframe_widget_fluid_desktop\" data-allowfullscreen=\"1\" data-href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/europalibera.org\/videos\/291445498984358\/?show_text=1\" data-facebook_snippet_id=\"1\"><iframe style=\"border: none; overflow: hidden;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/plugins\/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Feuropalibera.org%2Fvideos%2F291445498984358%2F&amp;show_text=0&amp;width=560\" width=\"560\" height=\"317\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Dvs. acum ce vre\u021bi: s\u0103 fie formalizat\u0103 aceast\u0103 majoritate \u00een parlament sau s\u0103 se ajung\u0103 la anticipate?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eLa anticipate, clar lucru! Poporul se de\u0219teapt\u0103 \u0219i o s\u0103 aleag\u0103&#8230;\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Dar crede\u021bi c\u0103 se va deosebi mult viitorul legislativ de actualul?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eAsta se va vedea.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u2013\u00a0<em>\u00ab\u0415\u0441\u043b\u0438 \u043d\u0435 \u0440\u0430\u0441\u043f\u0443\u0441\u0442\u044f\u0442 \u043f\u0430\u0440\u043b\u0430\u043c\u0435\u043d\u0442 \u0438 \u043d\u0435 \u0432\u044b\u0433\u043e\u043d\u044f\u0442 \u044d\u0442\u0438\u0445 \u0432\u043e\u0440\u043e\u0432, \u0431\u0430\u043d\u0434\u0438\u0442\u043e\u0432 \u0441 \u043f\u0430\u0440\u043b\u0430\u043c\u0435\u043d\u0442\u0430, \u0438\u043c\u0435\u044e \u0432 \u0432\u0438\u0434\u0443 \u043f\u0430\u0440\u0442\u0438\u044e \u0441\u043e\u0446\u0438\u0430\u043b\u0438\u0441\u0442\u043e\u0432, \u0443 \u043d\u0430\u0441 \u043d\u0438\u0447\u0435\u0433\u043e \u043d\u0435 \u043f\u043e\u043c\u0435\u043d\u044f\u0435\u0442\u0441\u044f.\u00bb<\/em>\u00a0(\u201eNu se va schimba nimic, at\u00e2ta timp c\u00e2t nu va fi dizolvat parlamentul \u0219i nu vor fi alunga\u021bi ace\u0219ti ho\u021bi \u0219i bandi\u021bi din parlament, am \u00een vedere Partidul Sociali\u0219tilor.\u201d)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103:\u00a0<em>\u0410 \u0435\u0441\u0442\u044c \u0440\u0430\u0437\u043d\u0438\u0446\u0430 \u043a\u0430\u043a \u043f\u0440\u0430\u0432\u044f\u0442 \u043f\u0440\u0430\u0432\u044b\u0435 \u0441\u0438\u043b\u044b \u0438 \u043b\u0435\u0432\u044b\u0435 \u0441\u0438\u043b\u044b \u0432 \u041c\u043e\u043b\u0434\u043e\u0432\u0435?<\/em>\u00a0(Dar este vreo diferen\u021b\u0103 \u00eentre modul de guvernare al for\u021belor de dreapta \u0219i al celor de st\u00e2nga?)<\/strong><\/p>\n<div class=\"content-floated col-xs-12 col-sm-5 overlap-md\">\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"c-blockquote c-blockquote--has-quote\">\n<div class=\"c-blockquote__content\">\u00cen momentul de fa\u021b\u0103 nu mai deosebe\u0219ti care-i dreapta \u0219i care-i st\u00e2nga, fiindc\u0103 ei fug dintr-un partid \u00een altul&#8230;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<p>\u2013\u00a0<em>\u00ab\u042f \u0412\u0430\u043c \u0441\u043a\u0430\u0436\u0443, \u0447\u0442\u043e \u0441\u0435\u0439\u0447\u0430\u0441 \u043d\u0435 \u0440\u0430\u0437\u043b\u0438\u0447\u0438\u0442\u044c \u043a\u0430\u043a\u0430\u044f \u043b\u0435\u0432\u0430\u044f, \u043a\u0430\u043a\u0430\u044f \u043f\u0440\u0430\u0432\u0430\u044f. \u041e\u043d\u0438 \u0431\u0435\u0433\u0430\u044e\u0442 \u0441 \u043f\u0430\u0440\u0442\u0438\u0438 \u0432 \u043f\u0430\u0440\u0442\u0438\u044e. \u041f\u043e\u043a\u0430 \u043d\u0435 \u0443\u0433\u043e\u043d\u044f\u0442, \u043d\u0435 \u0432\u044b\u0442\u0443\u0440\u044f\u0442 \u044d\u0442\u0438\u0445 \u0431\u0430\u043d\u0434\u0438\u0442\u043e\u0432, \u0441\u043a\u0430\u0437\u0430\u0442\u044c, \u0441 \u043f\u0430\u0440\u043b\u0430\u043c\u0435\u043d\u0442\u0430, \u0441 \u0432\u043b\u0430\u0441\u0442\u0438, \u0443 \u043d\u0430\u0441 \u043d\u0438\u0447\u0435\u0433\u043e \u043d\u0435 \u043f\u043e\u043c\u0435\u043d\u044f\u0435\u0442\u0441\u044f.\u00bb<\/em>\u00a0(\u201eEu v-a\u0219 spune c\u0103 \u00een momentul de fa\u021b\u0103 nu mai deosebe\u0219ti care-i dreapta \u0219i care-i st\u00e2nga, fiindc\u0103 ei fug dintr-un partid \u00een altul. S\u0103 zic a\u0219a, p\u00e2n\u0103 nu vor fi alunga\u021bi, izgoni\u021bi din parlament \u0219i de la guvernare ace\u0219ti bandi\u021bi, nu vom avea nicio schimbare.\u201d)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103:\u00a0<em>\u041e\u043d\u0438 \u0441\u0435\u0439\u0447\u0430\u0441 \u0445\u043e\u0442\u044f\u0442 \u043d\u0430\u0437\u043d\u0430\u0447\u0438\u0442\u044c \u043f\u0440\u0435\u043c\u044c\u0435\u0440-\u043c\u0438\u043d\u0438\u0441\u0442\u0440\u0430\u2026<\/em>\u00a0(Iat\u0103 acum ei vor s\u0103 numeasc\u0103 un prim-ministru&#8230;)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>\u2013 \u00ab\u041e\u043d\u0438 \u0445\u043e\u0442\u044f\u0442, \u043d\u043e \u043d\u0435 \u0437\u043d\u0430\u044e, \u043a\u0430\u043a \u043f\u0440\u043e\u0433\u043e\u043b\u043e\u0441\u0443\u044e\u0442. \u0415\u0441\u043b\u0438 \u043e\u043d\u0438 \u043f\u0440\u043e\u0433\u043e\u043b\u043e\u0441\u0443\u044e\u0442 \u0438 \u043e\u0441\u0442\u0430\u043d\u0443\u0442\u0441\u044f, \u0443 \u00ab\u0440\u0443\u043b\u044f\u00bb \u0431\u0443\u0434\u0435\u0442 \u0414\u043e\u0434\u043e\u043d, \u0447\u0442\u043e\u0431 \u0412\u044b \u044d\u0442\u043e \u0437\u043d\u0430\u043b\u0438. \u041e\u043d \u0431\u0443\u0434\u0435\u0442 \u0434\u0430\u043b\u044c\u0448\u0435 \u0432\u043e\u0440\u043e\u0432\u0430\u0442\u044c, \u0434\u0430\u043b\u044c\u0448\u0435 \u0431\u0443\u0434\u0435\u0442 \u043a\u043e\u043c\u0430\u043d\u0434\u043e\u0432\u0430\u0442\u044c, \u0434\u0430\u043b\u044c\u0448\u0435 \u043e\u043d \u0441\u0434\u0435\u043b\u0430\u0435\u0442 \u043d\u0430\u0441 \u0435\u0449\u0451 \u043d\u0438\u0449\u0435, \u043d\u043e \u0443\u0436\u0435 \u043d\u0435\u043a\u0443\u0434\u0430, \u043c\u043d\u0435 \u043a\u0430\u0436\u0435\u0442\u0441\u044f, \u041c\u043e\u043b\u0434\u043e\u0432\u0435 \u0431\u044b\u0442\u044c \u043d\u0438\u0449\u0435. \u041e\u043d \u0447\u0435\u0442\u044b\u0440\u0435 \u0433\u043e\u0434\u0430 \u0431\u044b\u043b. \u0427\u0442\u043e \u043e\u0431\u0435\u0449\u0430\u043b, \u0432\u044b\u043f\u043e\u043b\u043d\u0438\u043b? \u041e\u043d \u0436\u0435 \u043d\u0438\u0447\u0435\u0433\u043e \u043d\u0435 \u0432\u044b\u043f\u043e\u043b\u043d\u0438\u043b. \u041a\u0430\u043a \u043c\u043e\u0436\u043d\u043e \u0431\u044b\u043b\u043e \u0432 \u043e\u043a\u0442\u044f\u0431\u0440\u0435 \u043f\u043e\u0432\u044b\u0441\u0438\u0442\u044c \u043f\u0435\u043d\u0441\u0438\u044e, \u0443 \u043c\u0435\u043d\u044f 32 \u0433\u043e\u0434\u0430 \u0441\u0442\u0430\u0436\u0430, \u0430 \u0443 \u043c\u0443\u0436\u0430 42, \u043c\u044b \u043f\u043e\u043b\u0443\u0447\u0438\u043b\u0438 28 \u043b\u0435\u0439 \u0434\u043e\u0431\u0430\u0432\u043a\u0443 \u043a \u043f\u0435\u043d\u0441\u0438\u0438? \u041c\u044b \u0436\u0438\u0432\u0451\u043c \u0432 \u0447\u0435\u0441\u0442\u044c \u0442\u043e\u0433\u043e, \u0447\u0442\u043e \u043d\u0430\u0448\u0438 \u0434\u0435\u0442\u0438 \u0441\u043e\u0434\u0435\u0440\u0436\u0430\u0442, \u0434\u0430\u044e\u0442 \u0438 \u043c\u044b, \u0435\u0441\u0442\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0432\u0435\u043d\u043d\u043e, \u043d\u0435\u043c\u043d\u043e\u0436\u043a\u043e \u043f\u0435\u0440\u0435\u043a\u0440\u044b\u0432\u0430\u0435\u043c. \u0423 \u043c\u0435\u043d\u044f \u0434\u0435\u0442\u0438 \u0437\u0430 \u0433\u0440\u0430\u043d\u0438\u0446\u0435\u0439, \u0434\u043e\u0447\u043a\u0430 \u0432 \u0410\u043d\u0433\u043b\u0438\u0438, \u0441\u044b\u043d \u0432 \u0410\u043c\u0435\u0440\u0438\u043a\u0435. \u0422\u0430\u043c \u0435\u0441\u0442\u044c \u0431\u0443\u0434\u0443\u0449\u0435\u0435, \u0442\u0430\u043c \u0440\u0430\u0431\u043e\u0442\u0430\u044e\u0442, \u0442\u0430\u043c \u0441\u0442\u0430\u0431\u0438\u043b\u044c\u043d\u043e\u0441\u0442\u044c, \u0442\u0430\u043c \u0437\u0430\u0440\u043f\u043b\u0430\u0442\u0430, \u0442\u0430\u043c \u0437\u0430\u043a\u043e\u043d, \u0442\u0430\u043c \u043d\u0438\u043a\u0442\u043e \u043d\u0438\u043a\u043e\u0433\u043e \u043d\u0435 \u0432\u043e\u0440\u0443\u0435\u0442, \u0442\u0430\u043c \u043e\u043d\u0438 \u0438 \u043f\u043b\u0430\u0442\u044f\u0442, \u043d\u043e \u043e\u043d\u0438 \u0438 \u043f\u043e\u043b\u0443\u0447\u0430\u044e\u0442. \u0410 \u0443 \u043d\u0430\u0441, \u0433\u0434\u0435 \u0440\u0430\u0431\u043e\u0442\u0430\u0442\u044c? \u0423 \u043d\u0430\u0441 \u0435\u0434\u0438\u043d\u0441\u0442\u0432\u0435\u043d\u043d\u043e\u0435 \u0447\u0442\u043e \u0431\u044b\u043b\u043e, \u044d\u0442\u043e \u0436\u0435\u043b\u0435\u0437\u043d\u0430\u044f \u0434\u043e\u0440\u043e\u0433\u0430. \u0427\u0435\u0442\u044b\u0440\u0435 \u043c\u0435\u0441\u044f\u0446\u0430 \u043e\u043d\u0438 \u0437\u0430\u0440\u043f\u043b\u0430\u0442\u0443 \u043d\u0435 \u043f\u043e\u043b\u0443\u0447\u0430\u044e\u0442. \u041a\u0430\u043a \u043c\u043e\u0436\u043d\u043e \u043f\u0440\u043e\u0436\u0438\u0442\u044c? \u0410 \u0435\u0441\u0442\u044c \u0441\u0435\u043c\u044c\u0438, \u0432 \u043a\u043e\u0442\u043e\u0440\u044b\u0445 \u0438 \u043c\u0443\u0436, \u0438 \u0436\u0435\u043d\u0430 \u0436\u0435\u043b\u0435\u0437\u043d\u043e\u0434\u043e\u0440\u043e\u0436\u043d\u0438\u043a\u0438. \u041a\u0430\u0442\u0430\u0441\u0442\u0440\u043e\u0444\u0430! \u0411\u0435\u0441\u0441\u0430\u0440\u0430\u0431\u043a\u0430, \u044d\u0442\u043e \u0441\u0430\u043c\u043e\u0435 \u043f\u043e\u0441\u043b\u0435\u0434\u043d\u0435\u0435. \u0412\u043e-\u043f\u0435\u0440\u0432\u044b\u0445, \u0443 \u043d\u0430\u0441 \u0437\u0434\u0435\u0441\u044c \u0440\u0430\u0439\u043e\u043d\u043d\u044b\u0439 \u0446\u0435\u043d\u0442\u0440, \u0448\u0435\u0441\u0442\u044c \u0441\u0451\u043b \u043e\u0442\u043d\u043e\u0441\u044f\u0442\u0441\u044f \u043a \u0440\u0430\u0439\u043e\u043d\u043d\u043e\u043c\u0443 \u0446\u0435\u043d\u0442\u0440\u0443. \u0417\u0430\u0447\u0435\u043c \u0443 \u043d\u0430\u0441 \u0440\u0430\u0439\u0438\u0441\u043f\u043e\u043b\u043a\u043e\u043c? \u0422\u0430\u043c 20 \u0440\u0430\u0431\u043e\u0447\u0438\u0445, \u043e\u043d\u0438 \u043f\u043e\u043b\u0443\u0447\u0430\u044e\u0442 \u0442\u0430\u043a\u0438\u0435\u00a0<\/em><em>\u00ab<\/em><em>\u0441\u0443\u043c\u0430\u0441\u0448\u0435\u0434\u0448\u0438\u0435<\/em><em>\u00bb<\/em><em>\u00a0\u0437\u0430\u0440\u043f\u043b\u0430\u0442\u044b. \u0427\u0442\u043e\u0431\u044b \u0443\u043f\u0440\u0430\u0432\u043b\u044f\u0442\u044c \u044d\u0442\u0438 \u0448\u0435\u0441\u0442\u044c \u0441\u0451\u043b, \u044d\u0442\u043e \u043c\u043e\u0436\u0435\u0442 \u0440\u0443\u043b\u0438\u0442\u044c \u043c\u044d\u0440\u0438\u044f, \u043e\u0434\u0438\u043d \u043f\u0440\u0438\u043c\u0430\u0440 \u0434\u043e\u0441\u0442\u0430\u0442\u043e\u0447\u043d\u043e.\u00bb<\/em>\u00a0(\u201eEi vor, dar nu se \u0219tie cum vor vota. Dac\u0103 ei vor vota, s\u0103 \u0219ti\u021bi c\u0103 la c\u00e2rma \u021b\u0103rii va fi iar\u0103\u0219i Dodon. El va continua s\u0103 comande \u0219i s\u0103 fure f\u0103c\u00e2ndu-ne \u00eenc\u0103 mai s\u0103raci, cu toate c\u0103, se pare, mai s\u0103raci dec\u00e2t suntem nici nu se mai poate. A condus patru ani, a promis multe, dar n-a \u00eendeplinit nimic. Cum s-a putut s\u0103 fie indexate \u00een octombrie pensiile \u00een asemenea hal?! Eu am o vechime \u00een lucru de 32, iar so\u021bul de 42 de ani \u0219i ne-au ad\u0103ugat c\u00e2te 28 de lei. Avem noroc c\u0103 ne ajut\u0103 copiii, lucreaz\u0103 peste hotare \u0219i ne sus\u021bin financiar. Fiica e \u00een Marea Britanie, iar feciorul e \u00een America. Acolo este viitor, stabilitate, lumea munce\u0219te \u0219i prime\u0219te salarii decente; acolo legile lucreaz\u0103, nimeni nu te \u00een\u0219al\u0103 \u0219i nu te fur\u0103; acolo se cheltuie\u0219te mult, dar \u0219i se c\u00e2\u0219tig\u0103 pe potriv\u0103. Dar la noi unde s\u0103 lucr\u0103m? Am avut de lucru doar la Calea Ferat\u0103, dar \u0219i acolo a patra lun\u0103 nu are lumea salarii. Cum s\u0103 tr\u0103im, \u00eendeosebi familiile \u00een care at\u00e2t so\u021bul, c\u00e2t \u0219i so\u021bia lucrau la aceast\u0103 \u00eentreprindere? E dezastru! Basarabeasca e ultima. \u00cen primul r\u00e2nd, la noi aici e centrul raional \u0219i are \u00een subordine \u0219ase sate. La ce ne-ar trebui consiliu raional? Acolo lucreaz\u0103 20 de angaja\u021bi \u0219i ridic\u0103 salarii\u00a0<em>nebune<\/em>, dar pentru a gestiona aceste \u0219ase sate ar fi de-ajuns primarul \u0219i angaja\u021bii prim\u0103riei.\u201d)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"wsw__embed\">\n<figure class=\"media-image js-media-expand js-media-expand--ready\">\n<div class=\"img-wrap\">\n<div class=\"thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"enhanced aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/gdb.rferl.org\/3C86754D-4D7B-4363-914E-4592234EB94B_cx0_cy5_cw100_w650_r1_s.jpg\" alt=\"\u00cen Basarabeasca\" width=\"650\" height=\"366\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption><span class=\"caption\">\u00cen Basarabeasca<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103:\u00a0<em>\u0415\u0441\u043b\u0438 \u0431\u0443\u0434\u0443\u0442 \u0434\u043e\u0441\u0440\u043e\u0447\u043d\u044b\u0435 \u0432\u044b\u0431\u043e\u0440\u044b, \u043d\u0438 \u0442\u0435 \u0436\u0435 \u043f\u0430\u0440\u0442\u0438\u0438 \u0431\u0443\u0434\u0443\u0442 \u0432 \u0431\u0443\u0434\u0443\u0449\u0435\u043c \u043f\u0430\u0440\u043b\u0430\u043c\u0435\u043d\u0442\u0435?<\/em>\u00a0(Dac\u0103 vor avea loc alegeri anticipate, \u00een viitorul parlament nu vor nimeri acelea\u0219i partide?)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013\u00a0<em>\u00ab\u042f \u0434\u0443\u043c\u0430\u044e, \u0447\u0442\u043e \u043c\u043e\u0436\u0435\u0442 \u0431\u044b\u0442\u044c \u043f\u0440\u0438\u0434\u0443\u0442 \u0431\u043e\u043b\u0435\u0435 \u043d\u043e\u0440\u043c\u0430\u043b\u044c\u043d\u044b\u0435, \u043a\u043e\u0442\u043e\u0440\u044b\u0435 \u043f\u043e\u043d\u0438\u043c\u0430\u044e\u0442 \u043b\u044e\u0434\u0435\u0439 \u043f\u0440\u043e\u0441\u0442\u044b\u0445 \u0438 \u043c\u043e\u0436\u0435\u0442 \u0447\u0442\u043e-\u0442\u043e \u043f\u043e\u043c\u0435\u043d\u044f\u0435\u0442\u0441\u044f.\u00bb<\/em>\u00a0(\u201eCred c\u0103 vor veni ni\u0219te deputa\u021bi normali care-i \u00een\u021beleg pe oamenii de r\u00e2nd \u0219i poate ceva se va schimba.\u201d)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103:\u00a0<em>\u0410 \u0437\u0430 30 \u043b\u0435\u0442 \u043d\u0435\u0437\u0430\u0432\u0438\u0441\u0438\u043c\u043e\u0441\u0442\u0438 \u0420\u0435\u0441\u043f\u0443\u0431\u043b\u0438\u043a\u0438 \u041c\u043e\u043b\u0434\u043e\u0432\u0430 \u0441\u043a\u043e\u043b\u044c\u043a\u043e \u043f\u0440\u0430\u0432\u0438\u0442\u0435\u043b\u044c\u0441\u0442\u0432 \u0431\u044b\u043b\u043e?<\/em>\u00a0(C\u00e2te guverne au fost \u00een 30 de ani de independen\u021b\u0103 ai Republicii Moldova?)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013\u00a0<em>\u00ab\u0423-\u0443-\u0443! \u042f \u043d\u0435 \u043c\u043e\u0433\u0443 \u0434\u0430\u0436\u0435 \u043f\u0435\u0440\u0435\u0441\u0447\u0438\u0442\u0430\u0442\u044c. \u041d\u0443 \u043a\u0430\u043a \u0441\u0435\u0433\u043e\u0434\u043d\u044f\u0448\u043d\u0438\u0439 \u0434\u0435\u043d\u044c, \u0432\u043e\u0442 \u0447\u0435\u0442\u044b\u0440\u0435 \u0433\u043e\u0434\u0430 \u043a\u0430\u043a \u0414\u043e\u0434\u043e\u043d, \u043c\u043d\u0435 \u043a\u0430\u0436\u0435\u0442\u0441\u044f, \u0445\u0443\u0436\u0435 \u043d\u0435 \u0431\u044b\u043b\u043e. \u0412\u043e\u0440\u043e\u043d\u0438\u043d, \u043e\u043d \u0434\u0430\u043b \u0431\u0430\u043d\u0434\u0438\u0442\u0430\u043c \u0432\u043b\u0430\u0441\u0442\u044c \u0432 \u0440\u0443\u043a\u0438, \u043e\u043d \u043f\u0435\u0440\u0435\u0434\u0430\u043b \u0431\u0430\u043d\u0434\u0438\u0442\u0430\u043c \u0432\u043b\u0430\u0441\u0442\u044c \u0432 \u0440\u0443\u043a\u0438 \u041f\u043b\u0430\u0445\u043e\u0442\u043d\u044e\u043a\u0430, \u0414\u043e\u0434\u043e\u043d\u0430\u2026 \u0414\u043e\u0434\u043e\u043d \u0435\u0433\u043e \u0443\u0447\u0435\u043d\u0438\u043a. \u0414\u0430\u0439 \u0411\u043e\u0433, \u0447\u0442\u043e\u0431 \u0447\u0442\u043e-\u0442\u043e \u043f\u043e\u043c\u0435\u043d\u044f\u043b\u043e\u0441\u044c, \u044f \u0442\u043e\u043b\u044c\u043a\u043e \u0437\u0430, \u043d\u043e \u043f\u043e\u043a\u0430 \u0438\u0445 \u043d\u0435 \u0443\u0431\u0435\u0440\u0443\u0442 \u0441 \u044d\u0442\u043e\u0433\u043e \u043f\u0430\u0440\u043b\u0430\u043c\u0435\u043d\u0442\u0430, \u043c\u043d\u0435 \u043a\u0430\u0436\u0435\u0442\u0441\u044f, \u0447\u0442\u043e \u043d\u0438\u0447\u0435\u0433\u043e \u043d\u0435 \u043f\u043e\u043c\u0435\u043d\u044f\u0435\u0442\u0441\u044f, \u043d\u043e \u0442\u0430\u043a \u043a\u0430\u043a \u0414\u043e\u0434\u043e\u043d \u043e\u0431\u044a\u044f\u0432\u0438\u043b, \u0447\u0442\u043e \u0443 \u043d\u0438\u0445 \u0431\u0443\u0434\u0435\u0442 54 \u0434\u0435\u043f\u0443\u0442\u0430\u0442\u0430 \u0433\u043e\u043b\u043e\u0441\u043e\u0432\u0430\u0442\u044c, \u043c\u043d\u0435 \u043a\u0430\u0436\u0435\u0442\u0441\u044f \u0447\u0442\u043e\u00a0<\/em><em>\u044d\u0442\u043e<\/em><em>\u00a0\u0431\u0443\u0434\u0435\u0442 \u0434\u0430\u043b\u044c\u0448\u0435 \u043f\u0440\u043e\u0434\u043e\u043b\u0436\u0430\u0442\u044c\u0441\u044f.\u00bb<\/em>\u00a0(\u201eU-u-u! Nici nu le mai \u021bin contul. Dar ca \u00een prezent, iat\u0103-s peste patru ani de c\u00e2nd Dodon e la guvernare, pare-se, mai r\u0103u dec\u00e2t acum n-a fost niciodat\u0103. E vina lui Voronin, el a dat puterea \u00een m\u00e2inile bandi\u021bilor, a transmis-o \u00een m\u00e2inile lui Plahotniuc, Dodon&#8230; Dodon este \u201eucenicul\u201d lui. S\u0103 dea Domnul s\u0103 se schimbe ceva, eu sunt pentru schimbare, dar p\u00e2n\u0103 nu vor fug\u0103ri ho\u021bii din acest parlament, nu se va schimba nimic. Dar vede\u021bi c\u0103 Dodon a anun\u021bat c\u0103 pentru ei vor vota 54 de deputa\u021bi, a\u0219a c\u0103 se pare c\u0103 starea asta va r\u0103m\u00e2ne \u0219i \u00een continuare.\u201d)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"wsw__embed\">\n<figure class=\"media-image js-media-expand js-media-expand--ready\">\n<div class=\"img-wrap\">\n<div class=\"thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"enhanced aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/gdb.rferl.org\/C3FE6B02-7811-458F-82C7-2454F975175B_w650_r1_s.jpg\" alt=\"Basarabeasca\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption><span class=\"caption\">Basarabeasca<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: La 27 august se \u00eemplinesc 30 de ani de la proclamarea independen\u021bei Republicii Moldova. \u00cen acest r\u0103stimp la guvernare s-au perindat 26 de executive. Care \u0219i cum a intrat \u00een istorie?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eDin executivele care p\u00e2n\u0103 acum s-au perindat au fost mai proeminente cele de talie european\u0103: guvernul Sturza, guvernul Maiei Sandu au fost guverne care pentru noi au \u00eensemnat o respira\u021bie european\u0103 \u0219i o n\u0103dejde c\u0103 noi putem intra \u00een Europa \u0219i putem&#8230;\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Dar Acordul de Asociere, totu\u0219i, a fost semnat pe timpul guvern\u0103rii Filat.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eDa, pe timpul guvern\u0103rii Filat \u0219i guvernul Filat la timpul lui a f\u0103cut treab\u0103. Dac\u0103 dl Filat nu se compromitea \u00eentr-at\u00e2t, era s\u0103 r\u0103m\u00e2n\u0103 \u00een istorie ca un guvern bun \u0219i \u0103sta, \u0219i dl Leanc\u0103 care a semnat Acordul de Asociere cu Uniunea European\u0103.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: \u0218i acum \u00een parlament a fi \u00eenvestit urm\u0103torul cabinet de mini\u0219tri sau a fi provocate alegeri parlamentare anticipate?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eDin fric\u0103 \u0219i din autoconservare, \u0219i din tendin\u021ba \u0219i voin\u021ba de a se men\u021bine la putere, ei o s\u0103 \u00eenvesteasc\u0103 guvernul acesta prin orice mijloace.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"wsw__embed\">\n<figure class=\"media-image js-media-expand js-media-expand--ready\">\n<div class=\"img-wrap\">\n<div class=\"thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"enhanced aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/gdb.rferl.org\/5B13AA97-7F67-41CD-AAA7-4A96B85A63C9_cx0_cy7_cw100_w650_r1_s.jpg\" alt=\"\u00cen pia\u021ba din Basarabeasca\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption><span class=\"caption\">\u00cen pia\u021ba din Basarabeasca<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Ei, cine?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eCei 54 &#8211; \u0218or, Dodon, \u0103\u0219tia din \u201ePentru Moldova\u201d, cei trei independen\u021bi, acolo-s Andronachi, Nichiforciuc, Oleinic. Eu cred c\u0103 le-au pl\u0103cut fotoliile de parlamentar \u0219i le-a pl\u0103cut ce fac, \u0219i le-au pl\u0103cut afacerile, \u0219i ei nu mai vin s\u0103 vad\u0103 aici, la Basarabeasca sau la Ocni\u021ba, sau pe unde-o mai fi, s\u0103 vad\u0103 cum tr\u0103ie\u0219te lumea, c\u0103 nu au ce m\u00e2nca \u0219i \u00ees \u00een culmea disper\u0103rii, pleac\u0103 din \u021bar\u0103, fug.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Dar ce schimb\u0103 provocarea alegerilor parlamentare anticipate? \u0218i sondajele spun c\u0103 ar putea s\u0103 treac\u0103 pragul cam acelea\u0219i partide, \u0219i exper\u021bii vorbesc c\u0103 va fi greu de creat o nou\u0103 majoritate \u00een urm\u0103torul parlament, dac\u0103 se ajunge la anticipate.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eSper\u0103m foarte mult c\u0103 lumea se va str\u00e2nge \u00een jurul unei for\u021be politice care ar putea s\u0103 ia la parlamentarele anticipate majoritatea \u0219i noi atunci vom respira liber \u0219i vom merge mai ferm pe calea european\u0103, \u00een caz contrar&#8230;\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Moldova e sortit\u0103 s\u0103 fie guvernat\u0103 de coali\u021bii.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201ePentru c\u0103 \u00een ace\u0219ti 30 de ani aceste 26 de guverne pe care le-a\u021bi numit \u0219i parlamentele care le-au \u00eenvestit n-au f\u0103cut altceva dec\u00e2t numai s\u0103 dezbine societatea, s\u0103 ne confrunte unii cu al\u021bii \u0219i s\u0103 nu putem merge mai departe. \u0218i chestiunea asta \u00eei regretabil\u0103 \u0219i pentru Europa, \u0219i chiar pentru arealul acesta unde ne afl\u0103m noi \u00een Parteneriatul Estic, dar lumea \u00eencepe a se trezi c\u00e2te oleac\u0103 \u0219i \u00eencepe a percepe lucrurile, nu mai putem merge mai departe a\u0219a.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"wsw__embed\">\n<figure class=\"media-image js-media-expand js-media-expand--ready\">\n<div class=\"img-wrap\">\n<div class=\"thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"enhanced aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/gdb.rferl.org\/1A5FD1DA-C113-4D6A-9003-E8F21B0920DC_cx0_cy6_cw100_w650_r1_s.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Au guvernat \u0219i partide de st\u00e2nga, au guvernat \u0219i partide de dreapta, a fost \u0219i o coali\u021bie \u00eentre partidele de st\u00e2nga \u0219i cele de dreapta&#8230;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eDe aia \u0219i vorbesc de dezbinarea asta. Noi trebuie, \u00eentr-un fel, s\u0103 ne c\u0103lc\u0103m pe orgoliul acesta, s\u0103 nu ne m\u00e2nc\u0103m \u00eentre noi, cum se zice la \u021bar\u0103, \u0219i s\u0103 ne unim \u00een jurul unei for\u021be \u0219i s\u0103 mergem pe calea asta, trebuie s\u0103 ne d\u0103m seama c\u0103 mai presus de toate disensiunile pe care le avem trebuie s\u0103 fie traiul \u0219i via\u021ba noastr\u0103.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Dar confruntarea aceasta dintre Igor Dodon \u0219i Maia Sandu cum e \u00een\u021beleas\u0103 de cet\u0103\u021beanul de la firul ierbii?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eE \u00een\u021beleas\u0103 ca un r\u0103zboi pe via\u021b\u0103 \u0219i pe moarte, c\u0103 asta e situa\u021bia momentului, dar pentru mine personal Dodon deja nu mai exist\u0103, el nici p\u00e2n\u0103 acum n-a existat, \u00een paharul cu ap\u0103 a f\u0103cut valuri \u0219i \u00een ultimul timp, iat\u0103, nu-l mai crede deja nimeni, el azi vorbe\u0219te una, m\u00e2ine vorbe\u0219te alta, poim\u00e2ine g\u00e2nde\u0219te a treia, face a patra. Maia Sandu e consecvent\u0103, Maia Sandu se confrunt\u0103 nu cu Dodon, dar se confrunt\u0103 cu adep\u021bii lui Dodon, dar prin Dodon, c\u0103 altfel nu po\u021bi s\u0103 te exprimi \u00een sensul acesta, \u0219i Maia Sandu e un pre\u0219edinte al tuturor, se vrea un pre\u0219edinte pe care s\u0103-l \u00een\u021beleag\u0103 toat\u0103 lumea. Eu cred c\u0103 confruntarea asta dintre Dodon \u0219i Maia Sandu acum nu trebuie s\u0103 ne marcheze deloc.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"content-floated col-xs-12 col-sm-5 overlap-md\">\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"c-blockquote c-blockquote--has-quote\">\n<div class=\"c-blockquote__content\">Au distrus Basarabeasca complet, toat\u0103 lumea a fugit de aici&#8230;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eAici la noi, la Basarabeasca, oamenii \u0219i-au schimbat p\u0103rerile numai de-at\u00e2ta c\u0103 au fost comuni\u0219tii mul\u021bi ani la putere \u0219i acum \u00ees sociali\u0219tii, la nivel local. Au distrus Basarabeasca complet, toat\u0103 lumea a fugit de aici. Aici, \u00een Basarabeasca, era magazin l\u00e2ng\u0103 magazin, brut\u0103rii vreo trei erau, de f\u0103cut\u00a0<em>fortan<\/em>\u00a0erau tot a\u0219a vreo trei organiza\u021bii, erau foarte multe organiza\u021bii. De c\u00e2nd eu am venit de la Moscova lumea a \u00eenceput s\u0103 dispar\u0103 din Basarabeasca, au \u00eenceput s\u0103 se \u00eenchid\u0103 \u0219i lumea a \u00eenceput s\u0103 \u00een\u021beleag\u0103, un an, doi, trei, slav\u0103 Domnului, lumea a \u00eenceput s\u0103 \u00een\u021beleag\u0103 c\u0103, \u00eentr-adev\u0103r, sociali\u0219tii n-au f\u0103cut nimic pentru \u021bara \u0219i nici nu o s\u0103 fac\u0103, at\u00e2t numai c\u00e2t manipuleaz\u0103 poporul \u0219i oamenii \u00eencep a \u00een\u021belege. Au \u00eenceput altfel s\u0103 g\u00e2ndeasc\u0103 \u0219i tragem n\u0103dejde c\u0103 la anticipate lumea o s\u0103 fac\u0103 o alegere corect\u0103.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Valentina Ursu<em>, Europa Liber\u0103<\/em>, am f\u0103cut un popas aici, la Basarabeasca. Asculta\u021bi\u00a0<em>Europa Liber\u0103?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eDa, da, ascult! Chiar v\u0103 \u0219i cunosc.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: De unde?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eLa televizor nu o dat\u0103 v-am v\u0103zut.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: La 27 august se vor \u00eemplini 30 de ani de c\u00e2nd Republica Moldova \u0219i-a declarat independen\u021ba. V\u0103 aminti\u021bi c\u00e2te guverne au fost la putere?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eGuverne nu pot s\u0103 v\u0103 spun, \u0219tiu cam c\u00e2\u021bi pre\u0219edin\u021bi au fost, dar guverne&#8230;\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Nu, dar premieri?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201ePremier-mini\u0219tri v\u0103 spun c\u00e2\u021bi: Sangheli, Sturza, Tarlev, Ciubuc 1, Ciubuc 2, Grecean\u00eei a fost, mai \u00eencoace au fost Filat, Leanc\u0103, Filip, Chicu \u0219i acum \u00eei dl Ciocoi.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: \u0218i exist\u0103 asem\u0103n\u0103ri sau diferen\u021be \u00eentre cum \u00een\u021beleg partidele de st\u00e2nga s\u0103 guverneze Republica Moldova \u0219i partidele cu viziuni de dreapta?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eMie \u00eemi plac partidele cu viziune european\u0103, pentru c\u0103 acolo \u00ees alte valori, alte condi\u021bii de trai, acolo guvernarea e cu fa\u021ba la lume, acolo nivelul de trai \u00eei foarte \u0219i foarte ridicat, p\u0103turile social-vulnerabile \u00ees ajutate, \u00ees protejate, legile \u00ees \u00een capul mesei, func\u021bioneaz\u0103. La noi, v\u0103 spun cinstit, e o corup\u021bie foarte mare.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"wsw__embed\">\n<figure class=\"media-image js-media-expand js-media-expand--ready\">\n<div class=\"img-wrap\">\n<div class=\"thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"enhanced aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/gdb.rferl.org\/525286B6-9033-4900-A8BB-1119CA88F669_w650_r1_s.jpg\" alt=\"\u00cen Basarabeasca\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption><span class=\"caption\">\u00cen Basarabeasca<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Dar, \u00een general, se zice c\u0103 geopolitica \u00een Republica Moldova decide mult sau joac\u0103 festa, pentru c\u0103 partidele de st\u00e2nga vor mai aproape de Rusia, partidele de dreapta vor mai aproape de Uniunea European\u0103.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eGeopolitica e un truc al guvernan\u021bilor de a manipula cu masele \u0219i tare dezbin\u0103. Noi aici suntem un or\u0103\u0219el mic, Basarabeasca, c\u00e2ndva aici 31% erau ucraineni, 29% erau bulgari, moldoveni eram 16%, g\u0103g\u0103uzi erau 10% \u0219i restul erau ceilal\u021bi \u0219i noi aici sim\u021bim, nu c\u0103 o presiune, dar, \u0219ti\u021bi, o umilin\u021b\u0103, pot s\u0103 te numeasc\u0103 cu cuvinte ur\u00e2te, pe ruse\u0219te o s\u0103 spun c\u0103 ne numesc\u00a0<em>\u00ab\u0442\u0443\u043f\u044b\u0435 \u043c\u043e\u043b\u0434\u0430\u0432\u0430\u043d\u0435\u00bb<\/em>\u00a0(moldoveni pro\u0219ti) \u0219i te doare, pentru c\u0103 trebuie s\u0103 lup\u021bi.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Cum descrie\u021bi situa\u021bia din legislativul Moldovei ast\u0103zi?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eO situa\u021bie catastrofal\u0103, v\u0103 spun cinstit.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: De ce?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eNe divizeaz\u0103 \u00een dou\u0103 lag\u0103re: un lag\u0103r care vor s\u0103 ne duc\u0103 \u00een CSI \u0219i un lag\u0103r care \u00eei cu Europa. \u0218i m\u0103 lupt s\u0103 le spun la to\u021bi oamenii c\u0103 uita\u021bi-v\u0103 ce valori ne aduc \u00een casa noastr\u0103 europenii \u0219i uita\u021bi-v\u0103 ce valori ne aduc din partea Rusiei. Europa ne construie\u0219te drumuri, Europa ne repar\u0103 gr\u0103dini\u021be de copii, \u0219coli, infrastructura o dezvolt\u0103 nemaipomenit, aparatur\u0103 nou\u0103 la medicin\u0103&#8230;\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Haide\u021bi s\u0103 revenim la situa\u021bia din parlament. Acum se discut\u0103 dou\u0103 scenarii: s\u0103 se declan\u0219eze alegeri parlamentare anticipate sau s\u0103 fie creat\u0103 o majoritate parlamentar\u0103 care ar sprijini un guvern. Ca aleg\u0103tor, ce punct de vedere \u00eemp\u0103rt\u0103\u0219i\u021bi?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eC\u00e2t mai repede la anticipate. \u00ce\u0219i vor face o for\u021b\u0103 proeuropean\u0103 care s\u0103 ne duc\u0103 la ni\u0219te valori adev\u0103rate, nu la ni\u0219te falsuri.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Dar despre inten\u021bia acestor deputa\u021bi de a crea totu\u0219i o majoritate parlamentar\u0103 ce p\u0103rere ave\u021bi?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eP\u0103rere ur\u00e2t\u0103. Se une\u0219te Partidul \u201e\u0218or\u201d \u0219i cu Partidul Sociali\u0219tilor \u0219i plus se mai unesc acolo \u0219i ni\u0219te r\u0103m\u0103\u0219i\u021be de-ale lui Plahotniuc. Eu cred c\u0103 numai poporul poate s\u0103 decid\u0103. Dac\u0103 ei nu se supun voin\u021bei noastre ca s\u0103 fie anticipate, \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103 trebuie de ie\u0219it la proteste, ni\u0219te mitinguri pa\u0219nice, de \u00eengr\u0103dit parlamentul pe o s\u0103pt\u0103m\u00e2n\u0103-dou\u0103, nu de dat voie s\u0103 ias\u0103 de acolo \u0219i singuri s\u0103 ias\u0103 s\u0103 plece \u00een direc\u021bia unde trebuie, c\u0103 dac\u0103 lumea vrea anticipate \u0219i lumea vrea o cale european\u0103 \u2013 trebuie la asta s\u0103 ne ducem.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"wsw__embed\">\n<figure class=\"media-image js-media-expand js-media-expand--ready\">\n<div class=\"img-wrap\">\n<div class=\"thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"enhanced aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/gdb.rferl.org\/FFDEF7D3-1534-474F-B1ED-4C7AC46233C8_w650_r1_s.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Dar aceast\u0103 confruntare dintre Maia Sandu \u0219i Igor Dodon cum o \u00een\u021belege\u021bi?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eIgor Dodon e un politician \u00eenst\u0103rit \u0219i un om viclean \u0219i mincinos. Maia Sandu lupt\u0103 de una singur\u0103, oamenii cei boga\u021bi \u021bin cu Dodon, s\u0103-\u0219i asigure bog\u0103\u021bia lor, s\u0103-\u0219i asigure averile lor. \u0218i s\u0103 v\u0103 mai spun un lucru, c\u0103 judec\u0103torii, procurorii, poli\u021bia \u00ees tot cu Dodon. Din ce cauz\u0103? Dac\u0103 ei au lefuri de 30 de mii, ei mai vor ceva schimbare? Analiz\u0103m \u0219i noi chestiile astea, dreptate nu-i \u00een \u021bar\u0103, c\u0103 un judec\u0103tor care avea o leaf\u0103 de cinci mii de lei, m\u0103 rog, te duceai \u0219i d\u0103deai o mit\u0103 de 100 de euro \u0219i el \u00ee\u021bi spunea: \u201eBun\u0103 ziua!\u201d, dar acum el dac\u0103 are leafa de 30 de mii nu te apropii f\u0103r\u0103 1.000 de euro. De ce sunt foarte multe suicide? Chiar \u0219i omul acesta care recent s-a sp\u00e2nzurat \u00een pu\u0219c\u0103rie, 500 de mii i-au pus amend\u0103 \u0219i el, omul, \u0219i-a zis c\u0103 nu mai are rost de a tr\u0103i. Iaca fix a\u0219a nu mai are rost de a tr\u0103i \u0219i pentru oamenii ace\u0219tia care acum tr\u0103im \u00een \u021bar\u0103, pentru c\u0103 noi vedem nedreptatea asta.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Valentina Ursu,\u00a0<em>Europa Liber\u0103<\/em>, ast\u0103zi \u00een ospe\u021bie aici, la Basarabeasca, \u0219i \u00eentreb\u0103m cet\u0103\u021benii cum se tr\u0103ie\u0219te \u00een \u021bar\u0103.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eAm ajuns la limita s\u0103r\u0103ciei, lumea a ajuns, nu sunt locuri de munc\u0103 \u00een ora\u0219, mai ales acum situa\u021bia asta cu \u00eenchiderea C\u0103ii Ferate, foarte mult\u0103 lume r\u0103m\u00e2ne f\u0103r\u0103 lucru, la pia\u021b\u0103 nu vine, dar, \u0219ti\u021bi, dac\u0103 venea lumea \u00eenainte \u0219i lua o hain\u0103, m\u00e2ncare pe datorie \u0219i pe urm\u0103 \u00eentorceau, c\u0103 la salariu le \u00eentorceau, acum ne spun c\u0103 nu venim de-at\u00e2ta c\u0103 nu suntem preci\u0219i \u00een ziua de m\u00e2ine, c\u0103 o s\u0103 avem salariu \u0219i o s\u0103 avem pe ce s\u0103 ne achit\u0103m \u0219i chiar lumea nu vine. Situa\u021bia e catastrofal\u0103, e strig\u0103toare la cer.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: La 27 august se \u00eemplinesc 30 de ani de c\u00e2nd Republica Moldova \u0219i-a proclamat independen\u021ba. V\u0103 mai aminti\u021bi c\u00e2te guverne au fost la putere \u00een aceste trei decenii?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eC\u00e2te au fost? Cine a fost la noi? Voronin a fost&#8230; C\u00e2te? Nu \u0219tiu c\u00e2te au fost.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: 26 de guverne. S-a deosebit c\u00e2nd la putere erau partidele de st\u00e2nga \u0219i c\u00e2nd la putere erau partidele de dreapta, s-a deosebit calitatea guvern\u0103rii?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201e\u00cenainte nu am mers, cam \u00een urm\u0103 ne ducem \u0219i tot mai \u00een urm\u0103, \u0219i mai \u00een urm\u0103.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Dar este o deosebire c\u00e2nd la guvernare sunt cei cu viziuni de dreapta \u0219i c\u00e2nd la putere sunt cei cu viziuni de st\u00e2nga?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eCred c\u0103 e mai bine c\u00e2nd \u00ees partidele de dreapta.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: De ce?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eMai hot\u0103r\u0103sc ceva, \u00ees mai mult pentru lume partidele de dreapta, dar partidele de st\u00e2nga pentru d\u00e2n\u0219ii \u00ees mai mult. Eu departe nu m\u0103 duc tare, dar situa\u021bia de acum din \u021bar\u0103, sociali\u0219tii nicidecum nu vor s\u0103 dea puterea, pentru c\u0103 le e bine \u0219i hot\u0103r\u0103sc \u00eentreb\u0103rile lor, de-at\u00e2ta nici nu vor s\u0103 dea puterea, pentru c\u0103 lor le e convenabil.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Cum comenta\u021bi ceea ce se \u00eent\u00e2mpl\u0103 ast\u0103zi \u00een Parlamentul Republicii Moldova?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eE foarte ur\u00e2t!\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103:<\/strong>\u00a0<strong>P\u0103rerile sunt \u00eemp\u0103r\u021bite, unii vor anticipate c\u00e2t mai repede, al\u021bii spun c\u0103 s-ar putea totu\u0219i s\u0103 fie creat\u0103 o majoritate parlamentar\u0103.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eNu, cu sociali\u0219tii nicidecum nu se poate de mers \u00eenainte, noi ne ducem numai \u00een urm\u0103 \u0219i numai anticipatele, \u0219i de mers \u00eenainte, dar anticipatele, to\u021bi \u00eentreab\u0103 ce o s\u0103 fie mai departe&#8230;\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: \u0218i crede\u021bi c\u0103 se va deosebi mult parlamentul viitor de actualul parlament?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eCred c\u0103 da!\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Nu tot acelea\u0219i partide vor veni \u00een legislativul urm\u0103tor?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eNu, c\u0103 noi cu d\u00e2n\u0219ii nu mergem \u00eenainte.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"wsw__embed\">\n<figure class=\"media-image js-media-expand js-media-expand--ready\">\n<div class=\"img-wrap\">\n<div class=\"thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"enhanced aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/gdb.rferl.org\/85CD1EAB-6DE6-4E9D-B1CB-FA0286394927_w650_r1_s.jpg\" alt=\"Basarabeasca, urme ale alegerilor din toamn\u0103\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption><span class=\"caption\">Basarabeasca, urme ale alegerilor din toamn\u0103<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Cu cine?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eCu \u0218or, cu sociali\u0219tii nu d\u0103m \u00eenainte, ace\u0219tia sunt cei mai toxici.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Dar c\u00e2nd vre\u021bi s\u0103 aib\u0103 loc alegerile parlamentare anticipate, dac\u0103 se ajunge la ele?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eCu c\u00e2t mai repede, cu at\u00e2t mai bine.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Dar cum \u00een\u021belege\u021bi Dvs. aceast\u0103 confruntare dintre actuala pre\u0219edint\u0103 Maia Sandu \u0219i fostul pre\u0219edinte Igor Dodon?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eDodon totu\u0219i vrea ca oamenii lui la putere s\u0103 r\u0103m\u00e2n\u0103, s\u0103-\u0219i hot\u0103rasc\u0103 problemele lor mai departe. Interesele personale, pe d\u00e2nsul poporul nu-l intereseaz\u0103, dac\u0103-l interesa la momentul de fa\u021b\u0103 situa\u021bia \u00een care suntem, nu pleca la Moscova s\u0103-\u0219i fac\u0103 acolo s\u0103rb\u0103torile unul la altul, dar \u0219edea aici cu poporul, cum \u0219ede Maia Sandu, c\u0103-i o palm\u0103 de om mic\u0103 \u0219i se bate cu d\u00e2n\u0219ii, chiar asta e o lupt\u0103 care-i pentru popor \u0219i care-i contra la popor, e o lupt\u0103 foarte cr\u00e2ncen\u0103, c\u0103 ea \u00eentr-adev\u0103r vrea ceva pentru popor s\u0103 fac\u0103.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Ia zice\u021bi \u0219i Dvs., ce p\u0103rere ave\u021bi despre ceea ce se \u00eent\u00e2mpl\u0103 ast\u0103zi \u00een Parlamentul Republicii Moldova?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eVai! Ce se face \u00een parlament, eu a\u0219a, care nu m\u0103 pricep \u00een politica mare, eu socot c\u0103 asta-i, \u0219ti\u021bi, a\u0219a, pe moldovene\u0219te \u2013 o porc\u0103rie mare. Ei pentru d\u00e2n\u0219ii, ei \u00ee\u0219i fac salarii&#8230;\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Cine-s ei, pentru d\u00e2n\u0219ii?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eIaca, domnii care \u0219ed \u00een parlament.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Ei \u00ees 101.<\/strong><\/p>\n<div class=\"content-floated col-xs-12 col-sm-5 overlap-md\">\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"c-blockquote c-blockquote--has-quote\">\n<div class=\"c-blockquote__content\">Interesant, Dodon \u0219i cu parlamentul lor, ei vor \u021bine un p\u0103rinte cu 1.500 de lei?<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<p>\u2013 \u201e\u0218i \u00eempreun\u0103 cu Dodon, cu sociali\u0219tii, c\u0103 ei aici fac toat\u0103 majoritatea asta. C\u0103 pe\u0219tele de unde se stric\u0103? De la cap! A\u0219a \u0219i ei, ei \u00ee\u0219i fac interesele lor, de interesele mele, nu numai ale mele, dar ale cet\u0103\u021benilor nu r\u0103spunde nimeni. Am so\u021b invalid al 17-lea an; eu \u00ees \u0219i medic, eu \u00ees \u0219i sor\u0103 medical\u0103, eu \u00ees \u0219i servitoare, el cu 1.500 \u0219i eu cu 1.500. Cu pensia asta eu pot tr\u0103i? Interesant, Dodon \u0219i cu parlamentul lor, ei vor \u021bine un p\u0103rinte cu 1.500, care-i pensia asta? Numai eu pe capul meu&#8230;\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: De ce p\u0103rere sunte\u021bi, trebuie s\u0103 se ajung\u0103 la anticipate sau trebuie s\u0103 fie ales guvernul?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eS\u0103 fie ales \u0219i guvern, \u0219i o singur\u0103 cale de ie\u0219ire, asta e numai la Sandu, iaca, eu m\u0103 g\u00e2ndesc, poate dumneaei \u0219i to\u021bi au n\u0103dejde, sper\u0103 c\u0103 o s\u0103 fie oleac\u0103 mai bine \u0219i la mai mult. Cred c\u0103 dumneaei e, a\u0219a, o m\u00e2n\u0103 miticu\u021b\u0103, a\u0219a o femeie miticu\u021b\u0103 \u0219i ea are principiul ei c\u0103 s\u0103 se duc\u0103 Dodon, s\u0103 se duc\u0103 \u0218or, s\u0103 se duc\u0103 \u0219i s\u0103 aduc\u0103 miliardul, c\u0103 a\u0219a \u0219i nu se mai spune de miliard. Dl Dodon, dac\u0103 mai asculta\u021bi, miliardul, c\u0103 a\u021bi promis odat\u0103 c\u0103 o s\u0103-l aduce\u021bi \u0219i o s\u0103 face\u021bi! Cu\u00a0<em>culioacele<\/em>\u00a0ei umbl\u0103, dar mie nu-mi d\u0103 nimeni cu\u00a0<em>kulioace<\/em>, eu singuric\u0103, numai eu \u0219tiu cum m\u0103 zbat acas\u0103.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Anticipate vre\u021bi?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eVrem,\u00a0<em>konecino<\/em>\u00a0(desigur), da, vrem!\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Dar \u0219ti\u021bi c\u00e2te partide sunt \u00een Moldova?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201ePartidele au devenit business \u00een \u021bara noastr\u0103 a Moldovei, a\u0219a o \u021bar\u0103 miticu\u021b\u0103 care noi odat\u0103 am fost \u021bar\u0103 bogat\u0103, am r\u0103mas s\u0103raci de tot, am ajuns la sap\u0103 de lemn, iaca cum. Partide nu \u0219tiu c\u00e2te sunt, dar pe mine m\u0103 intereseaz\u0103, iaca, numai de Sandu, cu n\u0103dejdea tr\u0103im c\u0103 dumneaei va face oleac\u0103 de dreptate \u00een \u021bar\u0103.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Valentina Ursu,\u00a0<em>Europa Liber\u0103<\/em>, \u00een ospe\u021bie aici, la Basarabeasca, \u0219i \u00eentreb\u0103m cet\u0103\u021benii cum se tr\u0103ie\u0219te \u00een Moldova.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013\u00a0<em>\u00ab\u041e\u0447\u0435\u043d\u044c \u0442\u044f\u0436\u0435\u043b\u043e \u0436\u0438\u0432\u0451\u043c. \u0416\u0435\u043b\u0435\u0437\u043d\u0430\u044f \u0434\u043e\u0440\u043e\u0433\u0430 \u043d\u0435 \u0440\u0430\u0431\u043e\u0442\u0430\u0435\u0442, \u043b\u044e\u0434\u0438 \u0431\u0435\u0437 \u0437\u0430\u0440\u043f\u043b\u0430\u0442\u044b, \u043f\u0435\u043d\u0441\u0438\u044f \u043e\u0447\u0435\u043d\u044c \u043c\u0430\u043b\u0435\u043d\u044c\u043a\u0430\u044f, 1.300 \u043b\u0435\u0439. \u0427\u0442\u043e \u044d\u0442\u043e, \u043c\u043e\u0436\u043d\u043e \u043f\u0440\u043e\u0436\u0438\u0442\u044c \u043d\u0430 1.300 \u043b\u0435\u0439? \u042d\u0442\u043e \u0432\u043e\u043e\u0431\u0449\u0435 \u043a\u0430\u0442\u0430\u0441\u0442\u0440\u043e\u0444\u0430, \u044f \u0412\u0430\u043c \u0441\u043a\u0430\u0436\u0443. \u0423\u0441\u043b\u0443\u0433\u0438, \u0432\u043e\u0442 \u044d\u0442\u043e \u0432\u0441\u0451 \u043f\u043b\u0430\u0442\u0438\u0442\u044c\u2026\u00bb<\/em>\u00a0(\u201eTr\u0103im foarte greu. Calea Ferat\u0103 nu lucreaz\u0103, oamenii nu au salarii, pensiile sunt mici, 1.300 de lei. Cum po\u021bi s\u0103 tr\u0103ie\u0219ti cu 1.300 de lei? V\u0103 spun sincer, e un dezastru. Trebuie s\u0103 achit\u0103m \u00eentre\u021binerea, pentru totul trebuie s\u0103 pl\u0103tim&#8230;\u201d<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"wsw__embed\">\n<figure class=\"media-image js-media-expand js-media-expand--ready\">\n<div class=\"img-wrap\">\n<div class=\"thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"enhanced aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/gdb.rferl.org\/a9e3db61-26f5-45d3-86df-0917fc24178e_w650_r1_s.jpg\" alt=\"Basarabeasca\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption><span class=\"caption\">Basarabeasca<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103:\u00a0<em>\u0410 \u043a\u0442\u043e \u0434\u043e\u043b\u0436\u0435\u043d \u0440\u0435\u0448\u0438\u0442\u044c \u044d\u0442\u0438 \u0432\u043e\u043f\u0440\u043e\u0441\u044b?<\/em>\u00a0(Cine trebuie s\u0103 solu\u021bioneze aceste probleme?)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013\u00a0<em>\u00ab\u041f\u0430\u0440\u043b\u0430\u043c\u0435\u043d\u0442 \u0434\u043e\u043b\u0436\u0435\u043d \u0440\u0435\u0448\u0438\u0442\u044c. \u041f\u0430\u0440\u043b\u0430\u043c\u0435\u043d\u0442 \u0434\u043e\u043b\u0436\u0435\u043d \u043d\u0430\u0439\u0442\u0438 \u043e\u0431\u0449\u0438\u0439 \u043a\u043e\u043c\u043f\u0440\u043e\u043c\u0438\u0441\u0441 \u0441 \u043f\u0440\u0435\u0437\u0438\u0434\u0435\u043d\u0442\u043e\u043c.\u00bb<\/em>\u00a0(\u201eParlamentul trebuie s\u0103 le solu\u021bioneze, parlamentul ar trebui s\u0103 g\u0103seasc\u0103 un compromis cu premierul.\u201d)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Acum, dna Sandu \u0219i dl Dodon mai mult se confrunt\u0103, dec\u00e2t g\u0103sesc limbaj comun. Ce \u00een\u021belege\u021bi Dvs. din confruntarea asta Sandu-Dodon?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013\u00a0<em>\u00ab\u041f\u043e\u043b\u0443\u0447\u0430\u0435\u0442\u0441\u044f \u0443 \u043d\u0430\u0441, \u043a\u0430\u043a \u043b\u0435\u0431\u0435\u0434\u044c, \u0449\u0443\u043a\u0430, \u0440\u0430\u043a. \u041e\u043d \u0442\u044f\u043d\u0435\u0442, \u044d\u0442\u043e \u0441\u0430\u043c\u043e\u0435&#8230; \u0412\u0441\u0451, \u0443\u0436\u0435 \u043e\u0441\u0442\u0430\u0432\u044c\u0442\u0435, \u043f\u043e\u0436\u0430\u043b\u0443\u0439\u0441\u0442\u0430, \u0434\u0430\u0439\u0442\u0435 \u0434\u043e\u0430\u043c\u043d<\/em><em>\u0435<\/em><em>\u00a0\u0421\u0430\u043d\u0434\u0443, \u043e\u043d\u0430 \u0440\u0435\u0448\u0438\u0442 \u0432\u0441\u0451, \u044d\u0442\u043e \u0435\u0451 \u043f\u043e\u043b\u043d\u043e\u043c\u043e\u0447\u0438\u044f, \u043e\u043d\u0430 \u043e\u0442\u0432\u0435\u0447\u0430\u0435\u0442. \u0412\u0441\u0451, \u0438\u0437\u0432\u0438\u043d\u0438\u0442\u0435, \u0438\u0434\u0438\u0442\u0435, \u0431\u044b\u043b\u0438 \u043f\u0440\u0435\u0437\u0438\u0434\u0435\u043d\u0442\u043e\u043c, \u043d\u043e \u0434\u0430\u0439\u0442\u0435, \u043f\u043e\u0436\u0430\u043b\u0443\u0439\u0441\u0442\u0430, \u0434\u0430\u043b\u044c\u0448\u0435 \u0440\u0430\u0431\u043e\u0442\u0430\u0442\u044c.\u00bb<\/em>\u00a0(\u201eE ca \u00een basmul cu leb\u0103da, \u0219tiuca \u0219i racul. El trage spre turta lui, dar, gata, l\u0103sa\u021bi-ne, v\u0103 rug\u0103m, \u00een pace. Da\u021bi-i voie dnei Sandu, ea va decide, deja sunt \u00eemputernicirile ei, ea r\u0103spunde. Gata, scuza\u021bi, a\u021bi fost pre\u0219edinte, acum pleca\u021bi \u0219i l\u0103sa\u021bi-ne s\u0103 muncim \u00een continuare.\u201d)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103:\u00a0<em>\u0410 \u0435\u0441\u043b\u0438 \u0431\u0443\u0434\u0443\u0442 \u0434\u043e\u0441\u0440\u043e\u0447\u043d\u044b\u0435 \u0432\u044b\u0431\u043e\u0440\u044b, \u0412\u044b \u0431\u0443\u0434\u0435\u0442\u0435 \u0433\u043e\u043b\u043e\u0441\u043e\u0432\u0430\u0442\u044c?<\/em>\u00a0(Ve\u021bi merge s\u0103 vota\u021bi, dac\u0103 vor fi alegeri anticipate?)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013\u00a0<em>\u00ab\u0414\u0430, \u043a\u043e\u043d\u0435\u0447\u043d\u043e, \u044f \u0431\u0443\u0434\u0443 \u0433\u043e\u043b\u043e\u0441\u043e\u0432\u0430\u0442\u044c! \u0421 \u041c\u0430\u0439\u0435\u0439 \u0421\u0430\u043d\u0434\u0443 \u0432\u0441\u0451 \u0431\u0443\u0434\u0435\u0442 \u043d\u043e\u0440\u043c\u0430\u043b\u044c\u043d\u043e, \u044f \u0434\u0443\u043c\u0430\u044e.\u00bb<\/em>\u00a0(\u201eDa, desigur, voi vota! Cred c\u0103 cu Maia Sandu totul o s\u0103 fie normal.\u201d)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103:\u00a0<em>\u0410 \u041c\u043e\u043b\u0434\u043e\u0432\u0430 \u0431\u043b\u0438\u0436\u0435 \u043a \u0420\u043e\u0441\u0441\u0438\u0438 \u0438\u043b\u0438 \u0431\u043b\u0438\u0436\u0435 \u043a \u0415\u0432\u0440\u043e\u0441\u043e\u044e\u0437\u0443?<\/em>\u00a0(Dar Moldova mai aproape de Rusia sau mai aproape de Uniunea European\u0103?)<\/strong><\/p>\n<div class=\"content-floated col-xs-12 col-sm-5 overlap-md\">\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"c-blockquote c-blockquote--has-quote\">\n<div class=\"c-blockquote__content\">Chiar dac\u0103 sunt bulg\u0103roaic\u0103, eu \u021bin la Moldova \u0219i vreau \u00een Uniunea European\u0103&#8230;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<p>\u2013\u00a0<em>\u00ab\u041a \u0415\u0432\u0440\u043e\u0441\u043e\u044e\u0437\u0443, \u043a\u043e\u043d\u0435\u0447\u043d\u043e! \u041d\u0430\u0441\u043a\u043e\u043b\u044c\u043a\u043e \u044f \u0431\u043e\u043b\u0433\u0430\u0440\u043a\u0430, \u043d\u043e \u044f \u0432\u0441\u0451 \u0440\u0430\u0432\u043d\u043e \u0437\u0430 \u041c\u043e\u043b\u0434\u043e\u0432\u0443, \u0437\u0430 \u0415\u0432\u0440\u043e\u0441\u043e\u044e\u0437.\u00bb<\/em>\u00a0(\u201eDesigur cu Uniunea European\u0103! Chiar dac\u0103 sunt bulg\u0103roaic\u0103, eu \u021bin la Moldova \u0219i vreau \u00een Uniunea European\u0103.\u201d)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103:\u00a0<em>\u0410 \u043f\u043e\u0447\u0435\u043c\u0443?\u00a0<\/em>(De ce?)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013\u00a0<em>\u00ab\u041f\u043e\u0442\u043e\u043c\u0443 \u0447\u0442\u043e \u0443 \u043d\u0430\u0441 \u0431\u0443\u0434\u0443\u0449\u0435\u0435 \u0431\u0443\u0434\u0435\u0442, \u0430 \u0435\u0441\u043b\u0438 \u0441 \u0420\u043e\u0441\u0441\u0438\u0435\u0439, \u044f \u043d\u0435 \u0437\u043d\u0430\u044e, \u0447\u0442\u043e \u0431\u0443\u0434\u0435\u0442. \u041d\u0435 \u0445\u043e\u0447\u0435\u0442\u0441\u044f, \u0447\u0442\u043e\u0431 \u043f\u043e\u0432\u0442\u043e\u0440\u044f\u043b\u0430\u0441\u044c, \u0447\u0442\u043e \u0432 \u0411\u0435\u043b\u0430\u0440\u0443\u0441\u0438, \u0432 \u041c\u043e\u0441\u043a\u0432\u0435 \u0432\u043e\u0442, \u0447\u0442\u043e \u0441\u0435\u0439\u0447\u0430\u0441 \u0441 \u041d\u0430\u0432\u0430\u043b\u044c\u043d\u044b\u043c \u0442\u0432\u043e\u0440\u0438\u0442\u0441\u044f.\u00bb<\/em>\u00a0(\u201ePentru c\u0103 acolo vom avea viitor, dar cu Rusia nu se \u0219tie ce va fi. Nu vreau s\u0103 se repete ceea ce se \u00eent\u00e2mpl\u0103 \u00een Belarus \u0219i nici ceea ce fac acum cu Navaln\u00eei.\u201d)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Valentina Ursu sunt. Am poposit aici, la Basarabeasca, \u0219i \u00eentreb\u0103m cet\u0103\u021benii: \u00een ace\u0219ti 30 de ani de independen\u021b\u0103 c\u00e2te guverne au fost \u00een Republica Moldova?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eGuverne au fost vreo 12, dac\u0103 nu mai multe&#8230;\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: 26.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eSau 26.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Schimbarea deas\u0103 a guvernelor la ce duce?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eLa r\u0103u duce, dar totul depinde de parlament.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Care sunt asem\u0103n\u0103rile \u0219i deosebirile \u00eentre cum guverneaz\u0103 cei de st\u00e2nga \u0219i cei de dreapta?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eTo\u021bi merg \u00eenspre Rusia, guvernele care au fost p\u00e2n\u0103 acum \u00ees de st\u00e2nga, nu-s de dreapta. Eu \u00ees pentru aceea ca s\u0103 mergem spre aderarea la Uniunea European\u0103, dar oamenii la noi \u00eenc\u0103 nu \u00een\u021beleg ce \u00eenseamn\u0103 asta, se tem de Europa, se tem de americani, se tem de NATO, se tem de limb\u0103. Mai ales la noi, la Basarabeasca aici, de limb\u0103 se tem. Aceia\u0219i moldoveni se tem ca s\u0103 nu-\u0219i piard\u0103 lucrul.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"wsw__embed\">\n<figure class=\"media-image js-media-expand js-media-expand--ready\">\n<div class=\"img-wrap\">\n<div class=\"thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\" enhanced\" src=\"https:\/\/gdb.rferl.org\/E9109CCD-4BCC-4F80-943B-24C906E80446_cx0_cy9_cw100_w650_r1_s.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Cum s\u0103-\u0219i piard\u0103 lucrul dac\u0103 \u0219tie limba de stat?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201e\u00cen primul r\u00e2nd, dac\u0103 el o s\u0103 spun\u0103 c\u0103 el vorbe\u0219te limba rom\u00e2n\u0103, el de-acum st\u0103 la eviden\u021b\u0103&#8230;\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: E at\u00e2t de mult politizat\u0103?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eDa, foarte tare, dar asta a fost \u00eenc\u0103 pe c\u00e2nd au fost \u0219i democra\u021bii, c\u00e2nd a fost Plahotniuc. Eu \u00eensumi sunt unul din aceia care am scris cerere c\u0103 trec \u00een Partidul Democrat, dac\u0103 nu, a doua zi \u2013 cerere ca s\u0103 plec din lucru. A\u0219a a fost aici la Calea Ferat\u0103. Iaca, trei luni de zile nu avem salariu \u2013 noiembrie, decembrie, ianuarie. Acum, zilele acestea am primit numai pentru octombrie.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: S\u0103 revenim la situa\u021bia din parlament. Ce coali\u021bie poate fi creat\u0103? Cine trebuie s\u0103 constituie majoritatea sau alegeri parlamentare anticipate?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eAlegeri parlamentare anticipate trebuie numaidec\u00e2t.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Crede\u021bi c\u0103, dac\u0103 se declan\u0219eaz\u0103 alegerile parlamentare anticipate, \u00een urm\u0103torul legislativ se schimb\u0103 mult raportul de for\u021be?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eDa. Numai dac\u0103 s\u0103 mearg\u0103 PAS-ul singur, dar restul, to\u021bi cei de dreapta trebuie s\u0103 se uneasc\u0103 \u00eentr-un bloc \u0219i s\u0103 mearg\u0103 la anticipate, altfel noi pierdem alegerile.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Dar Igor Dodon p\u00e2n\u0103 acum a promis c\u0103 el nu face coali\u021bie cu nimeni \u0219i el dore\u0219te anticipate, c\u0103 PSRM-ul este tot pentru declan\u0219area anticipatelor.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eEl patru ani c\u00e2t a fost la guvernare niciodat\u0103 nu s-a \u021binut de cuv\u00e2nt, el spune una, dar face alta. La guvernare trebuie oameni cinsti\u021bi care s\u0103 poat\u0103 lupta cu corup\u021bia, s\u0103 nu se team\u0103 de nimeni, s\u0103 nu se team\u0103 c\u0103 au s\u0103 le deschid\u0103 dosare&#8230;\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Lumea tr\u0103ie\u0219te cu fric\u0103?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eEu socot c\u0103 da, cu fric\u0103. \u0218i dac\u0103 au s\u0103 fie parlamentarele anticipate, s\u0103 ias\u0103 lumea s\u0103 voteze dreapta. Asta-i prima condi\u021bie.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: \u00cen Republica Moldova \u0219ti\u021bi c\u00e2te partide sunt?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u201eNu \u0219tiu, nu le-am num\u0103rat, dar ele \u00een fiecare zi apar ca ciupercile dup\u0103 ploaie, foarte tare z\u0103p\u0103cesc, c\u0103 dup\u0103 aceia omul nu mai \u0219tie pe care s\u0103-l aleag\u0103. Bine-ar fi s\u0103 fie dou\u0103-trei partide de dreapta, de st\u00e2nga pot s\u0103 fie c\u00e2te-or fi.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>* * *<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Voci adunate la Basarabeasca. Oamenii cu care am discutat la \u00eent\u00e2mplare depl\u00e2ng instabilitatea care s-a perindat \u00een anii de independen\u021b\u0103. Scriitorul, eseistul, prozatorul, traduc\u0103torul\u00a0<strong>Vladimir Be\u015fleag\u0103<\/strong>, deputat \u00een primul parlament, crede c\u0103 multe rele se trag de la geopolitic\u0103 \u0219i vorbe\u0219te despre ce a avut de c\u00e2\u0219tigat Republica Moldova, proclam\u00e2ndu-\u0219i independen\u021ba.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"wsw__embed\">\n<figure class=\"media-image js-media-expand js-media-expand--ready\">\n<div class=\"img-wrap\">\n<div class=\"thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\" enhanced\" src=\"https:\/\/gdb.rferl.org\/50808ffb-a84e-45bd-a227-c0e988d6e209_w650_r1_s.jpg\" alt=\"Vladimir Be\u0219leaga\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption><span class=\"caption\">Vladimir Be\u0219leaga<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Vladimir Be\u0219leag\u0103:\u00a0<\/strong>\u201eSingura favoare sau avantaj al acestei independen\u021be este c\u0103 \u00een afar\u0103 de Partidul Comuni\u0219tilor, care era tradi\u021bional \u0219i domina p\u00e2n\u0103 atunci, s-a deschis \u00een mod legal posibilitatea de existen\u021b\u0103 a mai multor partide \u0219i libertatea de a forma partide \u0219i de a ac\u021biona este marea cucerire a independen\u021bei. Pe urm\u0103 s-a dat o lupt\u0103 mare \u00eentre partidele de dreapta \u0219i partidele de st\u00e2nga.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: \u00cen aceste trei decenii de independen\u021b\u0103, la putere au ajuns \u0219i partide cu viziuni de dreapta, \u0219i partide cu ideologie de st\u00e2nga. Exist\u0103 o diferen\u021b\u0103 \u00eentre felul cum \u00een\u021beleg unii \u0219i al\u021bii s\u0103 guverneze statul?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Vladimir Be\u0219leag\u0103:\u00a0<\/strong>\u201ePartide de st\u00e2nga, pro-comuniste, prin agrarieni, \u00een primul r\u00e2nd, comuni\u0219tii \u0219i sociali\u0219tii care au venit mai t\u00e2rziu au tergiversat consolidarea \u0219i formarea unui stat de drept, pentru c\u0103 era electoratul divizat. Dumneata \u0219tii foarte bine, cu un electorat divizat nu se poate constitui o stabilitate \u0219i o direc\u021bie unic\u0103. P\u00e2n\u0103 \u00een ultimul timp se punea problema: cu cine e\u0219ti \u2013 cu Vestul sau cu Estul? Dna Valentina, eu care am auzit de mai multe ori \u00een emisiunile dumitale de s\u00e2mb\u0103t\u0103, eu am re\u021binut, c\u00e2nd mergi \u00een teritoriu \u0219i discu\u021bi cu oamenii simpli de acolo \u00eentrebarea cea mai frecvent\u0103 este: cu Estul sau cu Vestul? Acest simptom sau sindrom este nu at\u00e2t \u00een inimile \u0219i \u00een sufletul oamenilor, c\u00e2t \u00een situa\u021bia geopolitic\u0103 a Republicii Moldova care este un dat fundamental. St\u00e2nd la grani\u021ba, la ruptura dintre marile for\u021be ale Occidentului \u0219i ale Orientului, noi suntem pe ruptur\u0103, pe muchie, pe buz\u0103, s\u0103 zic a\u0219a. Deci, aici o s\u0103 vibreze \u0219i au vibrat, \u0219i au oscilat opiniile, dar cu timpul ea trebuie s\u0103 se orienteze \u0219i s\u0103 se legitimeze cu totul.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Dar eu v\u0103 \u00eentrebam: exist\u0103 o diferen\u021b\u0103 cum \u00een\u021beleg partidele de st\u00e2nga \u0219i cele de dreapta s\u0103 guverneze \u021bara?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"content-floated col-xs-12 col-sm-5 overlap-md\">\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"c-blockquote c-blockquote--has-quote\">\n<div class=\"c-blockquote__content\">Eu repet vorba \u00een\u021beleapt\u0103 a lui Miron Costin, care spunea c\u0103 Moldova, fiind o \u021bar\u0103 mic\u0103, niciun lucru de seam\u0103 nu au f\u0103cut f\u0103r\u0103 amestecul vecinilor&#8230;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Vladimir Be\u0219leag\u0103:\u00a0<\/strong>\u201ePrima component\u0103 a guvern\u0103rilor este orientarea politic\u0103, \u0219i nu-s interesele popula\u021biei, dar orientarea politic\u0103, pentru c\u0103 asta este \u00een tradi\u021bia secular\u0103 a Moldovei. Eu repet de mai multe ori vorba \u00een\u021beleapt\u0103 \u0219i etern valabil\u0103 a lui Miron Costin, care spunea c\u0103\u00a0<em>Moldova, fiind o \u021bar\u0103 mic\u0103, niciun lucru de seam\u0103 nu au f\u0103cut f\u0103r\u0103 amestecul vecinilor.<\/em>\u00a0Dac\u0103 un partid vrea s\u0103 vin\u0103 la putere, el \u00ee\u0219i proclam\u0103 orientarea extern\u0103 spre zona aceea care s\u0103-l sus\u021bin\u0103. Nu degeaba liderul sociali\u0219tilor a trep\u0103dat ca un b\u0103ie\u021ba\u0219 de pr\u0103v\u0103lie ani \u0219i ani, c\u0103l\u0103torii-c\u0103l\u0103torii la centrul moscovit, ca s\u0103 ajung\u0103 el s\u0103-\u0219i consolideze \u0219i s\u0103-\u0219i formeze platforma lui, av\u00e2nd&#8230;\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: V\u0103 referi\u021bi la Igor Dodon?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Vladimir Be\u0219leag\u0103:\u00a0<\/strong>\u201eP\u0103i, dar nu-i cazul de-acum s\u0103-i mai spunem, c\u0103 de-acum \u00eei c\u00e2l\u021bi \u00een gur\u0103, \u0219tii, se opresc din\u021bii c\u00e2nd mai roste\u0219ti numele \u0103sta.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Cu excep\u021bia Partidului Comuni\u0219tilor, condus de Vladimir Voronin, care din 2001 p\u00e2n\u0103 \u00een 2009 a guvernat Republica Moldova, nicio alt\u0103 forma\u021biune politic\u0103 n-a reu\u0219it s\u0103 aib\u0103 majoritatea \u00een parlament. \u0218i exper\u021bii, anali\u0219tii spun c\u0103 mul\u021bi ani \u00eenainte Republica Moldova va fi condus\u0103 de coali\u021bii care trebuie s\u0103 se formeze \u00een legislativ. For\u021bele de dreapta au reu\u0219it s\u0103 aib\u0103 majoritate \u00een parlament, dar au existat \u0219i situa\u021bii c\u00e2nd dreapta cu st\u00e2nga au guvernat Republica Moldova. \u00cen viitor cine, care for\u021be ar merita s\u0103 ajung\u0103 la guvernare?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Vladimir Be\u0219leag\u0103:\u00a0<\/strong>\u201e\u00cen trei decenii, s-a schimbat nu radical, dar s-a schimbat ceva \u00een mentalitatea electoratului nostru \u0219i a poten\u021bialului minorit\u0103\u021bilor na\u021bionale, pentru c\u0103 se vede, dac\u0103 p\u00e2n\u0103 acum din Autonomia g\u0103g\u0103uz\u0103 \u00eel aveau pe liderul de la Moscova ca pe un Mahatma Gandhi, acum se vede c\u0103 se vor produce \u0219i \u00een mentalit\u0103\u021bile lor anumite lucruri, pentru c\u0103 ceea ce se \u00eent\u00e2mpl\u0103 \u00een Federa\u021bia Rus\u0103 este un simptom \u0219i un \u00eenceput de mare efect care cu timpul se va aprofunda.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Dvs. ce \u00een\u021belege\u021bi din situa\u021bia care s-a creat ast\u0103zi \u00een Rusia, confruntarea dintre putere \u0219i opozi\u021bie cum o comenta\u021bi?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"wsw__embed\">\n<figure class=\"media-image js-media-expand js-media-expand--ready\">\n<div class=\"img-wrap\">\n<div class=\"thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\" enhanced\" src=\"https:\/\/gdb.rferl.org\/33684971-371f-40b5-906d-25584328d9da_w650_r1_s.jpg\" alt=\"Vladimir Be\u0219leaga\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption><span class=\"caption\">Vladimir Be\u0219leaga<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Vladimir Be\u0219leag\u0103:\u00a0<\/strong>\u201eEste un fenomen firesc, pentru c\u0103 se schimb\u0103 genera\u021biile, cei care ies la proteste sunt tinerii, voiau s\u0103 ias\u0103 \u0219i elevii, dar i-au re\u021binut.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Pierde regimul Putin prin aceste arest\u0103ri?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Vladimir Be\u0219leag\u0103:\u00a0<\/strong>\u201eAbsolut! El devine din ce \u00een ce mai dictatorial, regimul lui este autoritar, acum devine dictatorial, dar acolo schimb\u0103ri mari nu au s\u0103 se fac\u0103 oric\u00e2t ar fi de mari protestele. \u0218tii de ce? Pentru c\u0103 axa Federa\u021biei Ruse este axa imperialist\u0103, cum se va proceda la reforme democratice, ea se destram\u0103. Navaln\u00eei este un erou \u0219i este un martir, este un fenomen, pentru c\u0103 \u00eenaintea lui Navaln\u00eei au fost \u0219i al\u021bi opozan\u021bi \u2013 Boris Nem\u021bov, a fost Anna Politkovskaia, care era un adversar al regimului. Ce oameni au fost omor\u00e2\u021bi! Asasinatele politice acolo continu\u0103. Este pur \u0219i simplu un infern aceast\u0103 federa\u021bie \u0219i s\u0103 te duci tu s\u0103 te miloge\u0219ti, \u0219i s\u0103 s\u0103ru\u021bi poala popii acolo cum o f\u0103cea Dodon \u2013 ru\u0219ine! Ru\u0219ine mare!\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: V\u0103 \u00eentrebam, \u00een Republica Moldova care for\u021be ar merita s\u0103 ajung\u0103 la guvernare?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Vladimir Be\u0219leag\u0103:\u00a0<\/strong>\u201eO s\u0103 fie guvern\u0103ri de coali\u021bie, pentru c\u0103 a\u0219a e componen\u021ba demografic\u0103.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Societatea moldav\u0103 r\u0103m\u00e2ne a fi dezbinat\u0103. Iat\u0103 \u0219i la trei decenii de la proclamarea independen\u021bei, totu\u0219i, aceast\u0103 scindare a societ\u0103\u021bii e vizibil\u0103. E cu putin\u021b\u0103 s\u0103 apar\u0103 o idee care ar consolida cet\u0103\u021benii Republicii Moldova?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"content-floated col-xs-12 col-sm-5 overlap-md\">\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"c-blockquote c-blockquote--has-quote\">\n<div class=\"c-blockquote__content\">Dac\u0103 au trecut 30 de ani, o s\u0103 mai treac\u0103 \u00eenc\u0103 zece ani, pentru c\u0103 o s\u0103 apar\u0103 noi genera\u021bii care nu au povara con\u0219tiin\u021bei vechi&#8230;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Vladimir Be\u0219leag\u0103:\u00a0<\/strong>\u201eSe apropie doar cu timpul, dac\u0103 au trecut 30 de ani, o s\u0103 mai treac\u0103 \u00eenc\u0103 zece ani, pentru c\u0103 o s\u0103 apar\u0103 noi genera\u021bii care nu au povara con\u0219tiin\u021bei vechi, pe de o parte; pe de alt\u0103 parte, numai prin ameliorarea st\u0103rii economice \u0219i refacerea economiei sau a unei economii c\u00e2t de c\u00e2t care s\u0103 poat\u0103 asigura un trai decent. Eu am fost foarte impresionat de programul la electorala preziden\u021bial\u0103, a fost punctul cel mai important de care nu \u0219i-au amintit niciodat\u0103 nici un fel de pre\u0219edinte, nici un fel de candidat sau pretendent la func\u021bia de pre\u0219edinte \u2013 salvarea satelor, care este un punct principal \u00een programul Maiei Sandu, al noului pre\u0219edinte al nostru.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Putem vorbi mai mult despre avantaje sau despre dezavantaje, c\u00e2nd lu\u0103m \u00een calcul unde e situat\u0103 Republica Moldova? Cronicarul zicea c\u0103 Moldova se afl\u0103 \u00een calea tuturor relelor, al\u021bii, din contra, spun c\u0103 Moldova ar putea s\u0103 beneficieze, av\u00e2nd aceast\u0103 situa\u021bie geografic\u0103.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Vladimir Be\u0219leag\u0103:\u00a0<\/strong>\u201eEu care am activat \u00een primul parlament, \u00een mare parte eram un grup destul de impun\u0103tor de intelectuali, care ne d\u0103deam seama de multe lucruri, iar al\u0103turi de noi erau mai mul\u021bi din nomenclatura comunist\u0103, \u00een special dintre agrarieni, care spuneau a\u0219a:\u00a0<em>mielul bl\u00e2nd suge la dou\u0103 oi.<\/em>\u00a0Deci, ei au v\u0103zut \u00een situa\u021bia aceasta dintre dou\u0103 mari puteri sau dintre dou\u0103 mari civiliza\u021bii, sau dintre dou\u0103 mari culturi avantajul de a fi \u0219i de colo, \u0219i de colo. Acesta este un sindrom al diviz\u0103rii \u0219i al sciziunii sufletului \u0219i al min\u021bii. Nu poate s\u0103 existe o comunitate care s\u0103 se \u00eempart\u0103 \u0219i \u00eencolo, \u0219i \u00eencoace, asta este c\u0103derea &#8211; c\u00e2nd cel care merge \u00een dou\u0103 luntri cade \u00een b\u0103ltoac\u0103, cade \u00een mijloc. Iat\u0103 asta este situa\u021bia, iar ea este un dat, un dat care nu depinde nici de mine, nici de dumneata, nici de partide, nici de nimic. Deci, de aici rezult\u0103 faptul c\u0103 atunci c\u00e2nd vine \u00een fruntea unui stat un nou pre\u0219edinte, el are de rezolvat problemele cele mai complicate, cele mai dificile, cele mai grele, nici nu \u00eemi ajung cuvinte. Acestui pre\u0219edinte i se cere ca el s\u0103 aib\u0103 at\u00e2ta iste\u021bime \u0219i prezen\u021b\u0103 de spirit ca s\u0103 poat\u0103 manevra, s\u0103 poat\u0103 stabili un echilibru \u00eentre aceste for\u021be. \u0218i aici se cere o mobilitate a electoratului, pentru c\u0103 \u00een condi\u021biile democra\u021biei toate partidele au dreptul la existen\u021b\u0103 \u0219i la pozi\u021bia lor, dar dac\u0103 facem a\u0219a \u0219i nu sunt animate ele de interesul na\u021bional comun, toat\u0103 divizarea \u0219i conflictele perpetueaz\u0103 \u0219i atunci nu se poate stabili.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Dar cum defini\u021bi Dvs. interesul na\u021bional?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Vladimir Be\u0219leag\u0103:\u00a0<\/strong>\u201eInteresul na\u021bional la ora actual\u0103 este t\u0103iat \u00een dou\u0103, electoratul din teritoriul Republicii Moldova propriu-zis este \u00eemb\u0103tr\u00e2nit, tineretul, oamenii activi sunt \u00een afar\u0103, ei trebuie s\u0103 fie inclu\u0219i \u00een via\u021ba social\u0103 \u0219i politic\u0103, s\u0103 vin\u0103 \u00een parlament \u0219i \u00eencetul cu \u00eencetul s\u0103 se refac\u0103 economia republicii, pentru c\u0103 a pune ast\u0103zi accentul pe agricultur\u0103, pe p\u0103m\u00e2nt numai, este foarte pu\u021bin. Nu va ie\u0219i Republica Moldova \u00een lume cu o economie orientat\u0103 agrar, ea trebuie s\u0103 se industrializeze, s\u0103 vin\u0103 investi\u021bii mari din Occident, care s\u0103 refac\u0103 economia \u0219i atunci s\u0103 se includ\u0103, pentru c\u0103 p\u00e2n\u0103 \u00een prezent se mizeaz\u0103 pe granturi \u0219i pe \u00eemprumuturi nerambursabile, \u0219i pe nu \u0219tiu ce, pe de o parte; pe de alt\u0103 parte, noi, de\u0219i suntem \u00eentr-o situa\u021bie complicat\u0103 \u0219i chiar grea, avem al\u0103turi Rom\u00e2nia.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: Tocmai voiam s\u0103 \u00eentreb. Am vorbit despre trecut \u0219i prezent, cum vede\u021bi viitorul Republicii Moldova?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Vladimir Be\u0219leag\u0103:\u00a0<\/strong>\u201eEu o s\u0103 fiu foarte sincer acum. Ace\u0219ti 30 de ani Republica Moldova a fost un stat care nu a lucrat pentru popor, pentru popula\u021bie, el a fost un stat la cheremul altor for\u021be din afar\u0103, totdeauna c\u00e2nd s-a f\u0103cut ceva aici, nu s-a f\u0103cut \u021bin\u00e2nd seama de interesul na\u021bional, ci de satisfacerea necesit\u0103\u021bilor sau ordinelor, sau directivelor de la R\u0103s\u0103rit, de la Moscova. Acum, odat\u0103 cu alegerea Maiei Sandu pre\u0219edint\u0103, este, zic eu, \u00eenceputul unei etape istorice care ne promite consolidarea unui stat pentru interesele poporului nostru de aici. Statul, ca atare, \u00een democra\u021bie nu are un rol at\u00e2t de important, el poate s\u0103 ajute, poate s\u0103 nu ajute, dar societatea civil\u0103 \u0219i for\u021bele interne, for\u021bele din masele largi sunt cele care decid mersul istoriei \u0219i al tot.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: \u00cen 1991 se vorbea c\u0103 intelectualitatea poate juca un rol important \u00een transform\u0103rile societ\u0103\u021bii. Ast\u0103zi despre rolul \u0219i locul intelectualit\u0103\u021bii ce ne pute\u021bi spune?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Vladimir Be\u0219leag\u0103:\u00a0<\/strong>\u201eIntelectualitatea a fost admis\u0103 de nomenclatura veche \u0219i de politicieni pentru o perioad\u0103 destul de scurt\u0103. Vreau s\u0103 v\u0103 spun c\u0103 primul parlament \u00een care am activat \u0219i eu a func\u021bionat doar un an, un an \u0219i jum\u0103tate, dup\u0103 care el a fost autodizolvat. De ce? Pentru c\u0103 intelectualitatea a fost necesar\u0103, admis\u0103, tolerat\u0103, ca s\u0103 zic a\u0219a, c\u00e2t s-au f\u0103cut anumite schimb\u0103ri mai mult formale: de stem\u0103, de drapel&#8230; Ast\u0103zi, intelectualitatea nu se aude, nu se vede.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: De ce?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Vladimir Be\u0219leag\u0103:\u00a0<\/strong>\u201ePentru c\u0103 a\u0219a a fost perioada tuturor regimurilor care s-au succedat, n-au avut nevoie de intelectualitate, nici \u00een parlament n-au fost intelectuali, scriitori, au fost tot oameni de afaceri, tot oameni cu bani \u0219i cu nu \u0219tiu ce. Dar acum a venit timpul ca intelectualitatea s\u0103 se consolideze \u0219i s\u0103 ias\u0103 iar \u00een prim-plan \u0219i s\u0103 formeze o for\u021b\u0103 mare care s\u0103 sus\u021bin\u0103 reformele \u0219i \u00eennoirea societ\u0103\u021bii, \u0219i consolidarea unui stat de drept. Eu nu \u0219tiu de ce ai no\u0219tri tac. Eu, venind de la Uniunea Scriitorilor, Uniunea Scriitorilor a fost o for\u021b\u0103, pe urm\u0103 \u00eencet-\u00eencet a degradat, pentru c\u0103 au fost ni\u0219te oameni la conducere care simpatizau ba cu unii, ba cu al\u021bii, n-au avut o direc\u021bie \u0219i o coloan\u0103 vertebral\u0103 \u0219i \u00een afar\u0103 de asta, \u00een prezent lucrurile sunt at\u00e2t de neclare, at\u00e2t de tulburi. A avut loc la parlament o \u00eentrunire a oamenilor culturii \u00een care un reprezentant din mediul nostru a spus c\u0103 e timpul s\u0103 form\u0103m un for al intelectualilor, s\u0103 ne \u00eentrunim cu to\u021bii \u0219i s\u0103 tras\u0103m un program cum s\u0103 sus\u021binem evolu\u021bia realit\u0103\u021bilor politice de la noi. V\u0103d c\u0103 \u00eent\u00e2rzie \u0219i m-a\u0219 bucura dac\u0103 ini\u021biativa ar porni de la dna pre\u0219edint\u0103 care ar apela, dac\u0103 oamenii de cultur\u0103 \u0219i de crea\u021bie nu au ini\u021biativ\u0103, s\u0103 le dea de g\u00e2ndit. Afar\u0103 de asta, m-ai \u00eentrebat&#8230;\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Europa Liber\u0103: &#8230;despre viitorul Republicii Moldova.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Vladimir Be\u0219leag\u0103:\u00a0<\/strong>\u201eDa. Eu o s\u0103 fiu foarte sincer, eu consider c\u0103 odat\u0103 cu alegerea Maiei Sandu \u00een func\u021bia de pre\u0219edint\u0103 a Republicii Moldova este momentul c\u00e2nd acest stat care este foarte aproximativ, noi am avut autori care au spus cu ani \u00een urm\u0103, cu cinci, cu zece ani, c\u0103 statul a e\u0219uat, \u00een 30 de ani statul nu s-a consolidat \u0219i nu s-a f\u0103cut un stat de drept. Acum s-a \u00eent\u00e2mplat miracolul, eu \u00eei spun miracol, \u0219i cu mare bucurie, s\u0103 avem un pre\u0219edinte care a spus:\u00a0<em>eu voi fi pre\u0219edintele tuturor cet\u0103\u021benilor \u0219i eu voi fi un pre\u0219edinte al integr\u0103rii europene.<\/em>\u00a0\u0218i \u00een consecin\u021b\u0103 este a\u0219a c\u0103 dac\u0103 acest moment, acest ideal nu va fi realizat, \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103 statul \u00eentr-adev\u0103r a ajuns un stat e\u0219uat \u0219i singura solu\u021bie este sau s\u0103 fie un fel de rud\u0103 s\u0103rac\u0103, care s\u0103 umble \u0219i s\u0103 cer\u0219easc\u0103 \u0219i la unii, \u0219i la al\u021bii, sau s\u0103 strige:\u00a0<em>Gata, fra\u021bilor, nu mai este \u00eencotro, cerem Unirea cu Patria-mam\u0103!\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Sursa: <a href=\"https:\/\/moldova.europalibera.org\/a\/trebuie-s%c4%83-ne-c%c4%83lc%c4%83m-pe-orgoliul-acesta-s%c4%83-nu-ne-m%c3%a2nc%c4%83m-%c3%aentre-noi-(foto-video)\/31112133.html?fbclid=IwAR2y6k4N2ledU3hFz0vtDgXcy-Nx5qRwaJ0Kn1UAiV2sbkUEyFk4SV8sWRA\">europalibera.org<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00cen cei aproape 30 de ani de independen\u021b\u0103, Republica Moldova a avut 26 de executive. Cel mai longeviv a fost condus de Vasile Tarlev, pe timpul guvern\u0103rii comuniste, dar au fost \u0219i cabinete de mini\u0219tri care au activat mai pu\u021bin de \u0219ase luni, de exemplu, \u00een 2019 s-au schimbat trei guverne \u00eentr-un singur an. \u00cenvestirea [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":23283,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[570,198],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-23367","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-in-moldova","category-social"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>\u201eTrebuie s\u0103 ne c\u0103lc\u0103m pe orgoliul acesta, s\u0103 nu ne m\u00e2nc\u0103m \u00eentre noi\u201d - BasTV<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/bas-tv.md\/ro\/trebuie-sa-ne-calcam-pe-orgoliul-acesta-sa-nu-ne-mancam-intre-noi\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"ro_RO\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"\u201eTrebuie s\u0103 ne c\u0103lc\u0103m pe orgoliul acesta, s\u0103 nu ne m\u00e2nc\u0103m \u00eentre noi\u201d - BasTV\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"\u00cen cei aproape 30 de ani de independen\u021b\u0103, Republica Moldova a avut 26 de executive. 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